Diary of Coppersocket

It's still a hideous thing to do. Color-coders go on my ignore list immediately.

erwtenpeller wrote:It's still a hideous thing to do. Color-coders go on my ignore list immediately.

Yep. As does anyone who in random matchmaking parts of the game refers to Healthstones as "Cookies" and anyone whose RP accent is so inscrutable it may as well be a Caesar Ciper or contains so much additional punctuation I assume they're trying to imitate the language of the !Kung people.

Why yes I am an irritatingly petty jerk.

Edit: I don't actually ignore people that often. Mainly because I can't be bothered to clean out the list when it fills up.

Coppersocket wrote:The "big", if we can even call it a big issue. It's not. It's fucking petty, as stated in the main post: is that due to the fact there's no lore on it, claiming there is- is just as wrong as claiming there isn't. Sure, I can't say with absolute certainty that there isn't. But at the same time we have to take it by what the game gives us, and that's that there isn't one. I simply go by that, I don't force people to follow what I say, but I believe it's worth mentioning to people.

I do the same with people who has recolored their TRP, but that's for a more feasible reason. Anyone recoloring their TRP is a dick towards anyone using FlagRSP or MRP, as all they see is the color code.

This is just a petty subject that became a lot bigger than it needed to be, but as said before- it became somewhat interesting, thus the post.

Didn't you once recolour your entire trp in green? I remember that being annoying as fuck xD

HA!

Copper being a hypocrite isn't a rare occurence, to be fair.

I still don't see the issue on why people can do whatever they want with their chars. I mean one shouldn't feel offended for the creativity of others

I am offended by your reluctance to fight inanimate objects.

Iriel Silversong wrote:I still don't see the issue on why people can do whatever they want with their chars. I mean one shouldn't feel offended for the creativity of others

People enjoy being negative.

Well, if we'd all be positive, we'd be pushing eachother away as well.

Amaryl wrote:Didn't you once recolour your entire trp in green? I remember that being annoying as fuck xD

Yes, I was likely the first one to do it as I had never seen anyone else do it on DB before me, but as fast as I was made aware of what happened when I did I changed it back immediately.

People learn from their mistakes, and that's why I inform people who do this of the consequences. I don't argue with them or bitch at them, I just let them know the drawbacks.

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:Copper being a hypocrite isn't a rare occurence, to be fair.

You're one to talk. You're real quick to put the blame on others when you're by no standard any better yourself. So walk off that high horse Mr."I am the best at pvp and nobody can argue against me."

No, the game does show region specific accents. I didn't state everyone has a different accent, I just found your original post a little ignorant to the term because countries don't have one or two accents; England has dozens.

We know, as a fact, Humans are capable of various accents. Dalarani sound different and Gilnean especially. I remember some quests in WoW having apostrophes to represent accents - I'd have to find them to be sure but no idea where I'd start with that. The fact is that there is more evidence that the world has various accents and by any understanding of how language works, we'd have to assume there would be, even if subtle, variations according to region.

Now, JP uses diseases as an example but I think that's an unfair comparison. That's a very complex argument which could be countered by the way in which magic is used but also be challenged because supposedly DNA must exist if mutagens exist. The lore writers haven't confirmed millions of things that people take for granted. If you do not make any assumptions because game developers haven't confirmed it then everything could potentially be questioned.

Gnomes most definitely have a different accent to Humans. And Orcs too, I don't even know how you could question that.

Vaell wrote: If you do not make any assumptions because game developers haven't confirmed it then everything could potentially be questioned.

And where exactly is the problem in that? Learn to live with variables. People managed to survive millenia without knowing jack shit about viruses or atoms.
And of course the comparison with diseases is fair. There's no such thing as magic in RL either. Yet there's words, rules and laws about that in WoW. There's Elven races with a language so bent it's impossible to understand. Why would you assume language follows the same rules when the entire world it is built on doesn't?

Is it reasonable to assume there could be accents? Sure. But there's no certainty there's an accent for every village and as such shouldn't be assumed as a rule.

West Wales sounds ... different than south Wales. .. North Wales sounds different than the other two.

Closer ... Llanelli town people sounds .. different to Carmarthen people. They are towns pretty close to each other ... why can't In wow towns sound different ?

not to mention immigration or moving town to town .. you may be from a certain town ... but due to your family sound different than the rest .. and yet still be a local

Jeanpierre wrote:

Vaell wrote: If you do not make any assumptions because game developers haven't confirmed it then everything could potentially be questioned.

And where exactly is the problem in that? Learn to live with variables. People managed to survive millenia without knowing jack shit about viruses or atoms.
And of course the comparison with diseases is fair. There's no such thing as magic in RL either. Yet there's words, rules and laws about that in WoW. There's Elven races with a language so bent it's impossible to understand. Why would you assume language follows the same rules when the entire world it is built on doesn't?

Is it reasonable to assume there could be accents? Sure. But there's no certainty there's an accent for every village and as such shouldn't be assumed as a rule.

The problem is that you're going down the beyond ridiculous and impossible to role-play route.

Questioning someone for creating something to develop their character a little further - an accent, which is fully capable of adding character - is a depriment to role-play. Copper's complaint, whether intended for humour or whining, was unfounded because all it served to do was complain about something which bettered someone's role-play.

As for learning to live with variables, the way in which people can even communicate on World of Warcraft is built on their real life understanding of language. For the most part, in fact in nearly every example I could bring from every quest, cutscene and written text - WoW does follow nearly the exact same rules as the English language. The developers are not omnipotent, they're not able to create an answer for every question, but I would think from the answers they give to most raised unanswered questions, that they would want their players to use a little common sense for matters which are so petty and unimportant in a world of magic that they shouldn't even form a discussion as they have done in this topic! I know I'm playing a part in one but to question someone's accent is to prevent an addition to role-play that harms no one, makes sense and has more evidence to show that accents are regional than against.

Blizzard has never stated that all Humans use the toilet. They've shown some Humans doing it but because they haven't shown all or stated that all should do it, then we have no certainty of it and shouldn't role-play any bowel movements. That's your argument. Bread might taste of fish because I haven't seen anyone say "Yum, this bread is doughy."

I think when it comes to basic matters, Blizzard hasn't stated it because they assume people don't give a two Bob bit over it.

We know accents exist. We know Humans are capable of various accents. We know said Humans come from different regions so accents are regional. We know that Common works in the same way as the English language in construction. We know various races develop different accents when speaking Common (take Pandaren for example). I think that's enough evidence to conclude that your character could certainly be capable of speaking in a different manner to others. It's petty to have a go at someone for it.



EDIT: To summarise my views, if it betters role-play and doesn't break the lore, don't question it. If she was saying she speaks in a language only a World Tree would understand, I'd not disagree with your complaining but a Duskwood accent to help enrich her character's voice is no bad thing.

Vaell wrote:The problem is that you're going down the beyond ridiculous and impossible to role-play route.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. It's not a binary that's set to "absolute yet" or "absolute no". So I'll repeat it again: there's a difference between adding an accent because it can exist and assuming it must exist.
One is adding to RP. The other one is imposing a rule. One is adding to RP. The other is restricting it.

To complete the analogy with your shitters example, one is assuming that you must RP going to the shitter, the other is assuming that you can RP going to the shitter.

Of course, your character is entirely free to assume ICly that his/her accent is the Darkshire accent. ICly can be proven right or wrong ICly. Just as long as you don't OOCly assume your RP'd accent is the right way to RP a particular accent. (or that anyone is doing it wrong!)
Not that I mean to accuse anyone of doing that, mind. It's just a discussion point and I thought "hey I got 10 minutes to waste."

To be honest the only issue I can see is in the difference between these statements:

"My character speaks with this accent"

And

"My character speaks with this accent, which is the Duskwood accent"

Unless, like the more London gilneas accent or the more New York-ish Goblin accents in game, it's defined in lore/consistent voice acting

A fair point, but I don't think my view is necessarily restricting - I'm more pointing at the food for thought idea that, I believe, people should take into account things like accents and regional/cultural traits when developing a character to help better it. It can add a lot when you realise that a kid growing up in Duskwood would have a different upbringing to one in the posher districts of Stormwind.

I won't throw all my eggs in one basket and say it categorically must exist and I wouldn't be willing to bet my life on it but I'd most certainly bet a bollock on it being the most logical conclusion.


EDIT: Oh and Kitt, I think the main reason that Duskwood is mentioned is because it allows approaching characters, without her character having to bring it up, to realise where she's from. You can take from it what you will. I think it adds a bit more depth. It would allow me to change the way my character might talk to them.

Welcome...to...Zombo..com...

Jeanpierre, why did you link me to this black hole?!

Can't...stop...watching...

Now Vaell, that is far too reasonable a post so I'll scrutinize it and take some words out of context to make it say something else.

Vaell wrote:I .. think ... food ... like .. eggs ... must exist

Really?

Well for one thing there are no defined Darkshire accent like say, the Gilnean cockney/posh, so I'd say that's reason enough for one NOT to do that...

Besides if every region had an accent like for the most part irl, it would be pretty damn impossible to keep track of anyway. Remember that the world is MUCH larger than the in-game portrayal depicts.
What would the reason behind this be anyway? that people absolutely must know that your character grew up in Darkshire? and if so, why is it so important that you have to make up your own lore to roleplay it.

Surely there must be other ways to let people know that you are from Darkshire.
A common rule of thumb should be that if you can't think of any reason for your approach to your idea being valid, you probably shouldn't rp it.
Otherwise it ends up as one of those "look at me!" gimmick things.

IN MY OPINION

See it like this. Person has a "Duskwood accent" in their MSP flag. People can then assume that anybody familiar with that particular accent would know that the person in question comes from Duskwood. It doesn't mean that the person thinks everybody from Duskwood should speak like that, but that the accent in question is local to a (possibly small/isolated) area of Duskwood.

I live in a small city in Denmark, and among our 25.000 inhabitants we have two seperate accents that are local JUST to this city. I really wouldn't find it unreasonable to say "I made up a small town in Duskwood and the people there speak with this accent". OR WHATEVER the person did. So long as the person isn't telling people off for not using the accent on duskwood-native people.

In any case, if you care enough about what accent somebody uses to actually take time out of your day to tell them they're stupid for using it, you're the problem and you should shut up.

Drustai wrote:

Iriel Silversong wrote:I still don't see the issue on why people can do whatever they want with their chars. I mean one shouldn't feel offended for the creativity of others

People enjoy being negative.

To be fair, if someone actually took too much liberty with the lore, the veteran RPers would descend on the person like crazy.

Even if I made the most convincing backstory and the most emotional history about my character being a vampire, people wouldn't really be too comfortable with the idea of me roleplaying a vampire, no matter how "creative" I would be with it.

So even if it is a tiny issue, it's still something that might bug people since it's never really explicitly established within the lore that there are regional accents of any sorts. I usually take problems with it when people go to great lengths to speak in this accent when all it does is distract me and make me wonder "where did this come from?" But then again, I'd probably say there are worse offenders, like the use of Latin or the Arathor Lore.

What accent are you referring to, Zaraj? When people talk like this?

"Wha's goin' on?" as opposed to
"What's going on?"

I like that Jean Pierre's RP style is Existentialism!

Jean Pierre Sartre - "Nothing can be proved to exist so.... Drink Madam!"

To weigh in on the subjects of accents, I would suggest you do not think of an accent as an important lore point, instead think of them as an expression of your Character. IRL, accents really matter in terms of building an identity. For example, a Brummy accent is not just annoying, to the Brum it is their membership to the club. It says I am not only from the midlands, I am from this exact geographical location, I am one of you. There was an Evolutionary Psychological theory on accents that their purpose is to mark out strangers to the tribe.

From a Social possitioning point of view; - I have an aunt who was from Birmingham, went to Cambridge University and actively tried to rid herself of the accent. This is the second thing about them, they are not just an expression of location, they suggest social standing as well. You know what someone educated sounds like, what someone from a Posh background sounds like, and it isnt "Yam yam yam".

People actively give jobs and make judgements regarding accents too. Would you give a job to the nice warm Gordy accent, or the thieving Liverpool one?

What sounds thicker? A west country accent or a cut glass Sandhurst accent?

So, regarding RP, talking in /s is about half of everything you have to express char, the other half being how you emote. An accent that is like dropping H's or Ts both give the impression of a less educated char, maybe poor, not necessary thick but clearly not of the elite. Call that a Darkshire accent and you have identified 2 things from that char instantly. It has expressed itself!

So im all for accents, it helps RP. This is a case of Lore-smithing Vs RP and in that instance RP should always win.

(for any ewrts in the thread, this might or may not be trolling.)

To be fair it only bothers me if someone pulls something like this to stand out.
For the thrill of some cheap attention, which is very common in RP.