Re: Mists of Pandaria

by **Muzjhath** Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:10 pm

Because Blizzard sucks when it comes to class ballance. They are GREAT at class imbalance. And they WANT to have said class imballance.
I there's imbalance people will comblain and they can change things. If there's ballance they can't.

by **Vaell** Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:25 pm

Muzjhath wrote:Because Blizzard sucks when it comes to class ballance. They are GREAT at class imbalance. And they WANT to have said class imballance.
I there's imbalance people will comblain and they can change things. If there's ballance they can't.

To give them the benefit of the doubt; the game is incredibly tough to balance and they attempt it to the best of their ability. We are all OP at some point or another.

by **Coppersocket** Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:34 pm

Muzjhath wrote:Because Blizzard sucks when it comes to class ballance. They are GREAT at class imbalance. And they WANT to have said class imballance.
I there's imbalance people will comblain and they can change things. If there's ballance they can't.

No, they don't want class imbalance. However there's plenty of classes to change, and it's very hard to properly balance them.

by **Lini** Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:58 pm

Coppersocket wrote:
Muzjhath wrote:Because Blizzard sucks when it comes to class ballance. They are GREAT at class imbalance. And they WANT to have said class imballance.
I there's imbalance people will comblain and they can change things. If there's ballance they can't.
No, they don't want class imbalance. However there's plenty of classes to change, and it's very hard to properly balance them.

by **Rmuffn** Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:05 pm

Muzjhath wrote:Because Blizzard sucks when it comes to class ballance. They are GREAT at class imbalance. And they WANT to have said class imballance.
I there's imbalance people will comblain and they can change things. If there's ballance they can't.

Yes but rogues have always been a slight sharper than warriors up to MoP. Can't they give warriors a little bit more time?

Not to mention this persistent whining about rogues sucking? I've seen plenty doing great in pvp, even against warriors.

by **Raelan** Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:13 pm

Lol. You clearly know what you're talking about.

by **Kristeas Sunbinder** Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:46 pm

Izaa wrote:
Muzjhath wrote:Because Blizzard sucks when it comes to class ballance. They are GREAT at class imbalance. And they WANT to have said class imballance.
I there's imbalance people will comblain and they can change things. If there's ballance they can't.

Yes but rogues have always been a slight sharper than warriors up to MoP. Can't they give warriors a little bit more time?

Not to mention this persistent whining about rogues sucking? I've seen plenty doing great in pvp, even against warriors.

The fact that I had a rogue on me for a whole battleground and it wasn't even able to break through my Illuminated Healing shield has nothing to do with my love for them.

by Guest Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:50 pm

Blood DK rules.

by **Krogon Devilstep** Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:57 pm

Izaa wrote:
Muzjhath wrote:Because Blizzard sucks when it comes to class ballance. They are GREAT at class imbalance. And they WANT to have said class imballance.
I there's imbalance people will comblain and they can change things. If there's ballance they can't.

Yes but rogues have always been a slight sharper than warriors up to MoP. Can't they give warriors a little bit more time?

Not to mention this persistent whining about rogues sucking? I've seen plenty doing great in pvp, even against warriors.

I'm rather inclined to agree. I can pretty much rip anything apart now, save for the usual like Blood Dk's, or prot warriors ... just like everyone else. But come 5.2, I'l be laughing.

Sub is a complicated spec, but with proper setup and use of Cd's it can ambush spam something to death rather fast.

Assassination and its bleeds/poisons is deadly if played right, which few people seem to do.

Its not so much that rogues suck, but that people dont understand how they work anymore.

by **Emrys** Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:26 pm

Totally loved ambushing alliance with my assassination rogue in the Krasarang zone. Cheapshot, mutilate, garotte, rupture up, gouge them, watch them flailing around helplessly as the dots keep ticking, as they trinket, blind, restealth, do it all again. Omnomnom. Very Happy

I did not feel like rogues were that bad either, survivability seemed a bit meh at times when it was not a 1v1 situation, (ramming your vanish in arena with two dps hammering down on you whilst your stuck in a CC, but not being able to do so before you're dead), but that is all I could complain about.

by **siegmund** Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:27 pm

Still either way, the only real "buff" will be Getting Prep, yet most would agree that they would rather have just shorter CDs.

The nerfs the others might get will be in our favor as well though. Every class has whiners and a lot of rogues do not really want it the way it's going now, but Blizz will do what Blizz wants.

Blizz always has poor excuses. Did you think we felt good when they said "Haste will fix it all." or other ones, no. But that's how it is. We'll still die in a stun i guess, so no real survivability. Prep used right will be quite the killer, well or another escape.

Btw Krog how do you do vs Rets?

by **Krogon Devilstep** Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:33 pm

siegmund wrote:Still either way, the only real "buff" will be Getting Prep, yet most would agree that they would rather have just shorter CDs.

The nerfs the others might get will be in our favor as well though. Every class has whiners and a lot of rogues do not really want it the way it's going now, but Blizz will do what Blizz wants.

Blizz always has poor excuses. Did you think we felt good when they said "Haste will fix it all." or other ones, no. But that's how it is. We'll still die in a stun i guess, so no real survivability. Prep used right will be quite the killer, well or another escape.

Btw Krog how do you do vs Rets?

I need to blow everything, but if i play conservatively, waiting with using my Cd's for after they bubble i can beat em. thats as sub or assass, and as i have/use prep anyway, i have my second vanish. The trick is to hammer them hard initially, force them to blow their bubble, then vanish, then start over using shadow blades etc.

by **Lexgrad** Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:43 pm

Im playing Rogue at the mo, Its ok I find, I can tie a caster down for ages (Belf and the racial is lovely for that). Playing assassination and find it has good sustain, can be hard to finish without using cds tho. After defensive CDs you die quick so dont get caught I guess. Trying to think in terms of teams rather than 1v1 I think they are great as they can make a healer stfu whilst DPS kill kill kill.

by **siegmund** Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:41 pm

Krogon Devilstep wrote:
siegmund wrote:Still either way, the only real "buff" will be Getting Prep, yet most would agree that they would rather have just shorter CDs.

The nerfs the others might get will be in our favor as well though. Every class has whiners and a lot of rogues do not really want it the way it's going now, but Blizz will do what Blizz wants.

Blizz always has poor excuses. Did you think we felt good when they said "Haste will fix it all." or other ones, no. But that's how it is. We'll still die in a stun i guess, so no real survivability. Prep used right will be quite the killer, well or another escape.

Btw Krog how do you do vs Rets?

I need to blow everything, but if i play conservatively, waiting with using my Cd's for after they bubble i can beat em. thats as sub or assass, and as i have/use prep anyway, i have my second vanish. The trick is to hammer them hard initially, force them to blow their bubble, then vanish, then start over using shadow blades etc.

Eh well i'm ussually stoped at the part where they have 2 hand of freedoms and i get kited either way, plus with their slow. Still haven't dueled a Paladin in quite a while, could be better with some gear now *shrug*.

by **Lavian** Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:26 am

Rogues at the moment are pretty laughable as a holy paladin. You wouldn't do shit to me in 1v1 (Not that 1v1 matters, hey) but it's to be seen in 5.2 if they will then or not.

Rets themselves are having a hard time at the moment I believe. Though some people have this strange perception that duels=class balance and I don't know why. oO. All a holy paladin has to do to a rogue is just DoT them up and be agressive, the rogue will either run or die in the end.

In regards to that warrior being godmode now rogues thing comment I don't see the problem in it. Warriors as it is hit pretty hard with good gear but maybe thats just me talking with only having returned not so long ago and behind on the "gear race" but I still do pretty good against them. You guys will survive in the patch to come so don't act like this would be your deathbed.

Only one who can really complain here is Mikasa because he's far too persistant enough to stay ret in this expansion for god knows what reason.

by Guest Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:31 am

Rogues definaitly suck atm. I still have alot of tools to control, and I can still dominate in random bgs/world pvp, but in arenas rogues just can't keep up with other classes. The damage is wayyyy too low compared to other classes to cause any real pressure. There's just no real reason to bring a rogue over a warrior. I've seen like 4 rogues over 2200 this season at all.

The arena stats ain't too pretty http://www.crossladder.com/arena/stats/

by **Xen-tau** Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:30 am

I want to compliment Blizzard on 5.1!

Doing dalies has never been so much fun because the story is amazing! You get a new "chapter" every 4 days or so(depends how much you grind).

And I got completely sucked into the story. Blizzard has shown that with MoP, they do have the people to make this intriguing and I myself have found that I am actually blaming Jaina for what she has done in Dalaran. I am blaming pixels and a computer and I love it that they made her "evil"(I can understand both sides, but she was a goody-two-shoes, and now she isn't anymore).

I think 5.1 is by far the best patch ever, but I think that's because MoP is amazing. xD

by **erwtenpeller** Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:31 am

Yes. My hat off.

by **Sadok** Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:13 pm

Aishling wrote:I want to compliment Blizzard on 5.1!

Doing dalies has never been so much fun because the story is amazing! You get a new "chapter" every 4 days or so(depends how much you grind).

And I got completely sucked into the story. Blizzard has shown that with MoP, they do have the people to make this intriguing and I myself have found that I am actually blaming Jaina for what she has done in Dalaran. I am blaming pixels and a computer and I love it that they made her "evil"(I can understand both sides, but she was a goody-two-shoes, and now she isn't anymore).

I think 5.1 is by far the best patch ever, but I think that's because MoP is amazing. xD

No matter what people might say about the quality of the story, nobody can deny that Blizz have never been able to tell said story better using in-game resources, be it phasing, scenarios or extended quest-lines.

Could you imagine past events like Magatha taking over Thunder Bluff, Moira's coup at Ironforge, or even the lead-up to Theramore (Northwatch naval battle etc) done with the 5.1 technologies? I'm very glad Blizz are actually letting people experience the lore developments, rather than hiding them in novels and short-changing the game itself. Hopefully Siege of Orgrimmar gets a similar treatment to the 5.1 lore quests.

by **Rashka** Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:34 pm

I'm rolling fine on my rogue, you people most be doing something wrong..! But I'm slowly wanting to kill Blizzard for not fixing the vanish bug yet. -That-is what kills me if I should die...! >;3
(Arenas is also going quite well for me, although that only is as Assa.) Also did some 2v2 with another rogue, and found it great fun, when we didn't meet those Warrior Warrior teams, and Hunter Hunter teams.

by **Lexgrad** Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:45 pm

Yeah there is something screwy about stealth atm, far to often guys seem to break off combat and charge 50 yards to where I am standing. DnD/huntards torch/ect seem to often land right on me too. I hear something about a target of my target bug and other macros, anyone know more?

by **Raelan** Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:43 pm

Basically everyone and their pets can see you.
Vanish doesn't work for shit either.

But yeah point is stealth's fucked atm.

by **Thelos** Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:43 am

Holy fuckballs they're updating Stormwind and Ogrimmar:

Spoiler:

by **erwtenpeller** Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:01 am

Nice!

by **Cid** Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:12 am

Moar pics please! Very Happy

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