[A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
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[A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Skarain Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:34 am
Several posters are spread around Dalaran, Stormwind Mage Quarters, Ironforge Halls of Mysteries, Theramore Tower, Exodar Crystal Hall and one single in Darnassus at the side wing of the Temple of the Moon.
OOC:
Based on the concept of the original Arcane Conclave this is a meeting once a month of the Alliance Arcane magic wielders (Mages, Warlocks and the like) where we discuss magical theory and meet our colleagues, setting a semi-stable base for the magical community. Anyone can attend, even those who does not wield the Arcane. The meetings are meant to be held once a month.
Intended session length:
2-3 hours
What will we discuss?
Theoretical discussion of magic. Including, but not limited to:
-Dangers of Magic, What "could" happen if we...
-The Nature of magic.
-Acceptable and unacceptable methods.
-Differences between the magical Guilds, how their views differ?
-Dark arts, what is their place in the grand picture?
-and many more...
In case you have suggestions for future topics, feedback or anything feel free to PM them to me. Or you can just bring your topic straight on the table, during the meetings.
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Past Meetings:
Dalaran.
Wednesday 1.8.2012
20:00 St
-Magical Warfare, where really goes the line?
-Shadow Magic, a tool or a threat?
The Arcane Conclave
Meeting of the Arcane wielders of the Alliance.
Alliance, a word with a meaning. We are different, yet similar, we races and individual Arcanists of the Grand Alliance. Many of us wield the Arcane. It connects us, yet separates. We study in our towers, our halls, our sanctums but our knowledge rarely leaves them. Our views stay as our own.
Will you share your insight?
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7th of September
Four hours before Midnight.
Ironforge, Hall of Mysteries.
-Sadra Farendal
OOC:
Based on the concept of the original Arcane Conclave this is a meeting once a month of the Alliance Arcane magic wielders (Mages, Warlocks and the like) where we discuss magical theory and meet our colleagues, setting a semi-stable base for the magical community. Anyone can attend, even those who does not wield the Arcane. The meetings are meant to be held once a month.
Intended session length:
2-3 hours
What will we discuss?
Theoretical discussion of magic. Including, but not limited to:
-Dangers of Magic, What "could" happen if we...
-The Nature of magic.
-Acceptable and unacceptable methods.
-Differences between the magical Guilds, how their views differ?
-Dark arts, what is their place in the grand picture?
-and many more...
In case you have suggestions for future topics, feedback or anything feel free to PM them to me. Or you can just bring your topic straight on the table, during the meetings.
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Past Meetings:
Dalaran.
Wednesday 1.8.2012
20:00 St
-Magical Warfare, where really goes the line?
-Shadow Magic, a tool or a threat?
- Transcript:
- Lealia: First topic is Magical Warfare. We all know the power of the Arcane. The first Dalaran Rule of Magic is that Magic is Powerful. The floating city below us another testimony of its strength.
We must still not forget that Magic, in the end, is also very dangerous and corrupting. It is like a beacon to Demons if not kept in check, and can cause great harm. The greates disasters are near always caused by Magic.The question goes, can Magic be used as a tool to change the tides of Battle? Can such be used on a larger scale than what is these days, or would such abuse bring more harm in the end? Should it not be used at all? I open the discussion.
Vaell: In regards to the question... Of course! Magic may destroy, yes... It has caused many a problem. But it is also a tool of beauty. People only remember the negatives...In battle, if magic can be used to save lives, then surely it should be used.Wars lost cost more lives than wars won with risk. Risk is the basis for all magic. It is not a bad thing, if it does not pay off... you'll leave yourself thinking..What if I hadn't have done it? You miss all of the opportunities you never tried... and in war, it is a risk worth taking.
Laensis: I must agree with Warden Silvine, however, magic can also be used to prevent wars before they even start. A lot of destruction can be avoided with a careful and gentle use of the Art, I hope you all agree. Both to manipulate the agressors before they act, or cut their wings down without letting them grow too powerful. Balance must be upheld.
Kumanaan: I do not think the question -if- magic should be used for warfare is usefull.. In fact it's foolish. This world has already been found by demons, due to the use of magic, and magic is our best bet at victory.. And let us not forget the Horde has powerful arcanists.. We need our battlemage to counter-act them. The question should be what are the bounds, the restrictions?
Aesculus: This man raises a good point. Let me just add that it is also very important who we choose to pass on our knowledge. Beyond the careful use of magic in warfare, we must not forget to carefully teach the nest generation as well... We cannot turn our back on magic anymore, it has become a neceseray part of our societies. Being careful in who you teach is just as important as being careful in how you apply magic yourself. That is all.
Rufias: I will stick to the point and say, the full extend of magic should be used in warfare, as would any section of the military. The point is victory. I believe -that- answers your opening question.
Laensis: You might be right, but an all-our magical assault and trying to achieve victory by any means can cost more lives on both sides than it is necessary. Conflicts should be prevented, rather than turned into cataclysmic showoffs of power.
Rufias: Past the point of using magic that will endanger the lives of our own men, my point stands.
Laensis: Bear in mind that most people who fight wars are commoners with little training and a sword in hand. It's their leaders that spew hatred and tell them to kill.
Rufias: So you believe our leaders should be manipulated by use of magic miss?
Laensis: I do not. I believe we should try and achieve victory by alternative means, with as little bloodshed as possible, whenever we can. Our leaders are eager to send armies to the front, too eager.
Drustaí: The good Minister is right in that in war, we must use magic. Though miss Laensis disagrees with war, we cannot deny that we be -in- one, and that our enemy seeks our complete destruction. However, there are some magicks that will cause more harm than good. We currently permit fel magic in battle. The very same magic that has destroyed countless worlds andn early destroyed this one. It be powerful, yes. It be useful in war, yes. But calling upon demons to fight our wars, will ultimately result in both armies defeated, and a world consumed. Full extent of magic should not include the consorting with agents seeking our destruction.
Ravenlance: The use or better yet.. The overuse of Magic within Warfare does not justify itself when the goal set before us is victory, at any cost I believe the previous speaker, the Stormwind Minister of Magic, was getting to. History tells us that discipline is required within such times. Our folly, as Gilneas, was trusting Arugal when faced against the Scourge. Within restraint or discipline.. There are dire consequences. *gestures himself, being a Worgen*
Margain: Nobody here can deny that magic is a very powerfull weapon. There is no reason not to use it to it's full extend. That's like buying an expensive battleaxe only to hang in on your wall as decoration. If you are worried about the risks, then I suggest you pick up a less excitable career, maybe fishing... In fact, if I had a spell that could reduce Orgrimmar and all those in it into a smoldering crater at the small cost of disintegrating everyone in this room...I would have cast it. Or is anyone here suggesting they are not willing to lay down their lives for the Alliance, maybe you shouldn't even be in a war then.
Aesculus: This reckless attitude towards magic is what has caused corruption to countless. To address your analogy of a battle axe. Does your battle axe corrupt entire worlds, does a battle axe has the pottential to not only doom you but also your immediate surroundings?
Grenier: Sure, magic is addictive. Sure, magic has been the very source of the destruction of worlds. But, may I ask you all: aren't the lives of our dearest ones worth taking a risk? We are at war. Maybe we can restrain ourselves, our enemies will, though? I don't think so. And I'd act accordingly.
Laensis: I must say, it saddens me what the Dark Iron has said. I would see turning a city to ash as a disgusting act of mass murder, not a way to fight a war. We are supposed to be civilized. Of course, it is important to protect our loved one and our land. But even orcs can be made to live at peace. Thrall was on a good way to make that happen, before Hellscream took his place as he left to save our world. We cannot blindly hate everything that is not common among us. We must change our own attitudes, and, even if it takes magic and whatever other means, change the mindset of our enemies. It is possible, we're just not trying.
Kumanaan: I do not think we cannot make peace with the Orcs.. And I do believe magic should be used, but in response to sir Blackwrath... And the Dwarf, Do you truly think we should allow fel on our battle fields? Is there no boundary? Because that is not taking a risk, as sir Blackwrath seems to deem it, that is dooming this world. Perhaps you can win the battle for the day and protect your loved ones, but ultimately you will doom your progeny.That is all.
Aerain: I believe the thing I was to foremention has been settled, however, I'd just comment upon how we are here to discuss on neutral ground, rather than poke wholes in other races history.
Grenier: I wish instead raise a point, which has been missed, I think. The mistakes of a race aren't the same of other races. The failures of a world aren't the failures of all the worlds. I understand the fears of some of us, but they're misplaced. And, most importantly, not shared by those who want our heads on a pike.
Nilda: Right...I'm not a mage myself, nor do I really understand much of it. So as outsider, listening her today... I've not heard much about magic on it's own, I've heard talk about morals. Would you kill, to win a war? It has nothing to do with magic. But a decision of a person if he or she wishes to fall so low. Kill you own, that is. In the end this is not about where magic should or could be used. This is about the person, if he or she should be granted the chance to make the call. So, you're dabbling around a topic...that goes for everyone. Not just yourselves.
Hodain: I fear arrogance has gripped many in this room, and yet our non-Magi guest spoke truth. We seem to solely gaze upon the sheer destructive power of magic, with little idea of those around us. So I shall simply state my mind upon the subject. Yes, magic should be used in warfare. With rules such as the military are requested to follow. Discipline and chain of command, and in turn punishment if abused. A volley of arrows can be contained. I see not why in the event of war, magi cannot do the same.
Lealia: Are there any more opinions to be said? The Conclave is merely theoretical discussion, and does not have the power to change these things on its own. Its up to the individuals. If not, we will move from topic to another.
Drustaí: I only wish to make quick comment.
Drustaí: In response to two previous speakers... their logic be reasonable but one must not forget that magic is not like force of arms. Killing a person does not damn your soul, nor your world. Magic can and does do this, and one must -always- keep this in mind.
Aesculus: I've heard a lof of talk about morals and wether we would resort to dark magic to achieve our goals. Some people say they would do everything to protect themselves. Let me compare, would you fall as low as to deploy the plague, like the horde has done? Would you justify it? Just to save your own. If we fal as low as some people have sugested tonight, we might as well die now, at this very moment. Because the next generation is left to clean up the mess. Your fears for death and lack of hope is what causes this endless cycle of magical abuse. Not the excuse that you wield magic so recklesly just because our enemies do as well. That is all.
Lealia: Are there any more 'last second' speakers? I take that as a no.
Lealia: Second topic, Shadow Magic. Far more dangerous than Arcane, yet spells that fall or involve the Shadow have sometimes been allowed under special circumstances. Some do seek its power and potential, even wield it for the defense of their kingdom. While it is largely banned, should things change? Should such dangerous force be allowed at all, for 'Greater good' or shunned as much, if not more than the practice of Fel. I open the discussion.
Lysenna: No, I do not believe it should be allowed, shadow magic stains a persons' soul and is highly corruptive, far more than normal magic, in turn, we our doing ourselves more of a disservice by allowing such magic to be cast, even under dire circumstances many other forms of magic exist that can be used in place of shadow magic, why would we use darker and more heretical tools to achieve the means we need?
Drustaí: Yes, shadow be dangerous. Yes, shadow be corrupting, by nature of it as the source of death. However, heretical? No. As dangerous as fel magic? No.
Drustaí: Shadow magic be necessary part of this world. As necessary as every other elemental force. It must be kept in check by the Light, but it has its place-
Ravenlance: What proof do you have?
Drustaí: The proof one has is the proof acquired through study of the interplay of magical forces in this world, worgen. More than that, by the words of the Naaru, who agree as to its necessity
to reality.
Drustaí: As a force no less natural than any other element we wield, it has its place. But it is dangerous, and so much be used with caution, and restraint. Never abused, never used when another option be available. Last resor-
Ravenlance: Your kind, as I understand it, have been plagued by the powers that are Fel. Stating such forces are greater, or worse than Shadow as fact seems rather biased coming from a Draenei.
Drustaí: Fel, not shadow, has doomed a thousand worlds upon which you have never seen, worgen. Shadow causes death. It causes rot. It ages and sickens. And such be natural... cycle of life and death. It has not destroyed this world despite being part of it since its beginning. Yet -fel- nearly did.
Ravenlance: Fel did this alone?
Drustaí: It has its place. Like fire, it is innately destructive. And therefore, like fire, it has its use when destruction is needed. But -only- when needed. It must be kept in check, and only used at proper moment.
Axio: While I do admit it takes significant willpower not to succumb to the corruption it may bring, the Shadow in itself is no more dangerous than the Arcane. It is all dependant of the morals of its user. Willpower can be strengthened through various means. The views of the allied races are more or less the same, but yet the laws of the Alliance on the topic of Shadow magic vary, and it is unproductive to our future to be divided on the matter. Seeing how the Horde's spellcasters utilise it to near full extent, they are at a considerable advantage in comparison to us - if you'll permit me to refer to the previous discussion of warfare.
Vaell: Firstly, I disagree entirely with ... Axio, was it? Shadow magic is limited for a reason. Those who use it are blinded by its corruption. It is not worth the risk in using it. How many have we seen fall to it? Many more so than the other aspects of the Arcane. Though... I do admit, with my recent opinion on the matter changely prefusely... Shadow has its ... uses. In regards to a recent matter, shadow magic was used to help aid a cultist situation. I stood against its use. Now I publically apologise to Kazbo Frostgear for my decision at the time...If it saves lives and its use is minimal... Then it should be allowed under strict supervision. Fel magic though. * Vaell snorts audibly*
Ázuris: It is my belief that Shadow magic should have some of the harshness of its bans lifted. All magic is powerful, and power corrupts, as stated i believe. Shadow may seem to corrupt more, but that is most likely only because the weilders are unable to handle its power. And as previously stated, it can be used to aid in situations. Hence why it should be studied further, and not shunned. That is all.
Laensis: Coming back to what miss Drustai said, it was abuse of arcane magic by the Highborne that almost destroyed the whole world. It had nothing to do with shadow or light, we meddled with all magic we could, unaware of the consequences. It was the jointed. Collapse of our spellwork which followed the destruction of the Well of Eternity that sank half of Kalimdor. I agree fully, putting fel aside, all magic can be used safely and responsibly, it's down to the user, their morals, their discipline. Shadow and. Light are direct opposites, one cannot exist without the other, and the two can be used as long as there is balance. It really does not matter what magic is in question, elemental, arcane, druidic, shadow, light... Each can be equally addictive and. Destructive if the wielder succumbs to the hunger for power. That is all.
Aesculus: Allow me to give a philosophical on the view once more. As boring and dull some here may find this... I think the answer to this can be clear and short. Many people that practice shadow magic claim they've got themselves under control. I'm here to tell you those are the ones that are already lost themselves, just as the man in green pointed out. Some people say the shadow plane is the base of all things and that all other elements and magics are built around this. This might be true but that does not justify using it. Nature is built around the same principle. The most primitive beings are also the most ruthless and bloodiest. Does this mean we, as a society should fall back to murdering and stealing again? Abandoning all laws? Nothing good will come out of that and people would eventually start to fight for order again. The same can be said for shadow magic. Wether it is fel magic, necromancy or any other category. And those who practice it will always thirst for more power, and eventually get offered said powers by something or someone malicious. Does the name Kel'thuzad ring a bell? There will always be people that can't help but practice these magics, and there will always be laws and people that will strike them down. As for the people that claim that all magic is equally bad. Yes, we are all addicted to magic, and perhaps we should never have started practicing it. But there is no turning back, and the only option is controlling yourself. Some schools of magic are more evil that others. It's up to each and everyone of you to decided how low you want to sink. That is all.
Arenfel: Erm... I am a rather poor public speaker, so I apologize if this comes out somewhat awkwardly. My name is Arenfel Serpentine, I teach the school of Abjuration to apprentice Magi of the Kirin-tor and its subsequent academies. As such, I invest a great deal of research into the safe use of magic. Many of you have spoken of the "balance" between Light and Shadow this evening, and how the widespread user of the latter will cause an imbalance to the individual. I would like to say, that no individual born with the Arcane affinity who actively casts any form of magic is able to achieve that balance. We are all closer to shadow, regardless of our religion, race, faith, or mental willpower. Every time we draw the runes to evoke a spell, we bleed our souls of mana and open ourselves to the entropic powers of the universe and edge into corruption. I won't bore you with philosophy, as I'm sure we've all become numb in the brain from all its utterance... My belief is simple: We should allow the erudite and responsible of our most trusted magi to conduct research into the murky powers of shadow magic, as we do necromancy and fel. Not to use it, but as a means to counter it. The Kirin-Tor have had a long-standing belief that harsh interrogation is a poor method, reserved only for the most dire of consequences. If we allow ourselves to use shadow magic for one act, the coupled addictions will provoke us...And then, the gap between "us" and our enemies lessens. That is all I wished to say, my thank you for listening. Apologies for offending any of you who have an interest in philosophy, from what I heard it was very nicely worded.
Braiden: While I am certain most would recognize me I am Lord Minister Braiden Arthur Bernard Mistmantle; Minister of justice in the great kingdom of Stormwind, Count of the Foxworth estate, Baron of the Mistmantle estate and last but not least a magi. An elf earlier mentioned that the shadow is the opposite of the light and one cannot exist without the other. The same logic applies to the fact that good cannot exist without evil but that does not mean we should encourage actions of evil now does it? If we stoop to using the same corruptive forces as the cultists and green skinned cretins that threaten us does that make us any better then them? Who are we to say that the shadow does not corrupt us equally because our aims are supposedly noble? While some may call the use of shadow fighting fire with fire, I call it despicable, dangerous and wrong. That is all.
Lealia: Very well then. The Official meeting of the Arcane Conclave have ended. You are free to stay in case you wish to raise a new point to discuss about that was not introduced beforehand. Thank you.
Laensis]: I merely have an announcement to make. The Silent Sun, my company dealing in all sorts of magical instruments, focuses, wands and other curiosities, as well as many a luxurious item, has set up shop in Stormwind in place of old Essential Components in Mage Quarter.
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by erwtenpeller Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:43 am
Cool, send Deli an invite, just in case 
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Skarain Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:49 am
Knowing her, she would show up even uninvited 
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by erwtenpeller Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:52 am
Yeeesss but a calendar invite could be a good reminder.Skarain wrote:Knowing her, she would show up even uninvited
When is this, anyway?
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Zalissa Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:53 am
Oh. Deli's gonna be there? *loads shotgun*
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by erwtenpeller Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:55 am
Perhaps.Zalissa/Alorah wrote:Oh. Deli's gonna be there? *loads shotgun*
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Vaell Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:19 pm
Count me in! You can't have magic without the Masterful Magnificant Mesmorising Mindblowing Marvelous Memorable Multi-talented Mysterious Muscular Marketable Man known only as the one and only Vigorous Vibrant Versatile Valuable Valiant Voluptuous Vital Virgin Virtuous Vintage Vengeful yet Vulnerable Vaell
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Aldric Essalus Helmfrid Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:31 pm
I'm there!
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Skarain Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:21 pm
Ask for calendar invites. When i checked last time, i found about 30 names on the list. Cant have to many!
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Lexgrad Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:30 pm
Add me to the list Skarry Skarry night, On Térlwynn... apprentice to the Vigorous Vibrant Versatile Valuable Valiant Voluptuous Vital Virgin Virtuous Vintage Vengeful yet Vulnerable Vaell
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Iriel Silversong Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:23 pm
Ethalira Sunspark, yes the greatest conjurer in Azeroth
(invisible slap) *cough* I mean Archmagi Sunspark, Conjurer.
Won't be there...She chased a squirrel...
- No just that I'm away in holidays so have fun!
(invisible slap) *cough* I mean Archmagi Sunspark, Conjurer.
Won't be there...She chased a squirrel...
- No just that I'm away in holidays so have fun!
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by Iriel Silversong Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:23 pm
Vulnerable Vaellis is the name Lex
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Skarain Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:44 pm
Mods, Could i get the thread moved to Events?
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Zhakiri Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:54 pm
Throw Orthur an invite I'll try to be there!
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Skarain Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:38 am
This is today. Bring your staves, wands, spellbooks and familiars. The Magicans are having a party!
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Skarain Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:00 am
Thank you for everyone who did attend. Next meetings date is yet to be announced. A transcript of the meeting can be found from the first post.
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Zhakiri Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:05 am
Gutted I missed it, Orthur would have had much to say on the latter discussion. Am I right in saying though, that this transcript is ICly available for Dalarani Magi?
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Skarain Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:56 pm
The next meeting will be held the 7th day of September. I am trying out a new way and thus i ask -you- to bring any topics you'd wish to discuss about and slam them at the table during the meeting itself.
I still prepare a few interesting topics "just in case".
I still prepare a few interesting topics "just in case".
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Alienor Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:33 am
Looking forward to it!
Judging by the in-game invite, the hottest topic would be the fate of Theramore..
Judging by the in-game invite, the hottest topic would be the fate of Theramore..
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Skarain Sat Sep 01, 2012 2:13 pm
Lorewise it have not yet happen, seeing as the Scenario is not open yet.
Also, poke me on any of my characters for Calendar Invites.
Also, poke me on any of my characters for Calendar Invites.
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Skarain Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:14 pm
Bumping this, being on Friday.
I would wish people to bring their own topics and issues needed to discuss, but i have the following two in case there is none.
-Arcane Education, should general magic-knowledge be taught to the non-mages?
-Sholazar and Ungoro, The reaction of Arcane magic into the Nature; Nature magic.¨
I would wish people to bring their own topics and issues needed to discuss, but i have the following two in case there is none.
-Arcane Education, should general magic-knowledge be taught to the non-mages?
-Sholazar and Ungoro, The reaction of Arcane magic into the Nature; Nature magic.¨
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Re: [A]Arcane Conclave - Fri, 7st of Sep. 20:00
by Skarain Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:30 pm
Bump. This is today.
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Join date : 2011-08-04
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Name: Skarain Feirand
Title: Mother of the Flame
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