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The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Meralynn / Ashla Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:13 am
There is a thread about True Blood so why not one about these AMAZING books?
The books are to be read in english, in this order:
A Game of Thrones
A Clash of Kings
A Storm of Swords
A Feast for Crows
A Dance of Dragons (waiting to be published)
It is hard to explain what the books are about in a short text like this. We get to follow a quantity of different characters and their lives in the land of Westeros. There are no such things as a chosen one, a hero with a magic sword or a certain quest or evil man clad in black that wants to take over the world. Only people. Sad, pathetic, corrupt, interesting, wonderful and horrible people. Maybe that is what makes the books so special?
Here is a link for the first few chapters of the first book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0553573403/ref=sib_dp_ptu#reader-link
Those of you who have read the books! What are your opinions? Who is your favourite character? What are your hopes for Dragons? Please do not spoil the books for others but write in your post clearly wich book your spoiler will be about, something like this:
The books are to be read in english, in this order:
A Game of Thrones
A Clash of Kings
A Storm of Swords
A Feast for Crows
A Dance of Dragons (waiting to be published)
It is hard to explain what the books are about in a short text like this. We get to follow a quantity of different characters and their lives in the land of Westeros. There are no such things as a chosen one, a hero with a magic sword or a certain quest or evil man clad in black that wants to take over the world. Only people. Sad, pathetic, corrupt, interesting, wonderful and horrible people. Maybe that is what makes the books so special?
Here is a link for the first few chapters of the first book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0553573403/ref=sib_dp_ptu#reader-link
Those of you who have read the books! What are your opinions? Who is your favourite character? What are your hopes for Dragons? Please do not spoil the books for others but write in your post clearly wich book your spoiler will be about, something like this:
Crows
- Spoiler:
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Zinkle Figgins Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:21 am
I have read them all, and now I pray on a daily basis that George doesn't die leaving the saga incomplete, curse him and his fat and lazyness.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Meralynn / Ashla Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:32 am
I KNOW!!
I ahve waited for MONTHS now for Dragons to be published... The good thing is that it is another one of those lovely thick books, I think he was at 1500 pages or something last time I checked his blog.
AND another good thing is that he pretty much is writing the sixth book at the same time so that one we will hopefully not have to wait for so long! Yay!
I ahve waited for MONTHS now for Dragons to be published... The good thing is that it is another one of those lovely thick books, I think he was at 1500 pages or something last time I checked his blog.
AND another good thing is that he pretty much is writing the sixth book at the same time so that one we will hopefully not have to wait for so long! Yay!
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by Geldar Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:34 am
Was a bit dissapointed after the 4th book, nothing compared with the previous books in my opinion. Ah well, it was an enjoyable read but I`ll stick to Dragonlance, Black Library pieces and Belgarath.
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by Aleric Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:45 am
Geldar wrote:Was a bit dissapointed after the 4th book, nothing compared with the previous books in my opinion. Ah well, it was an enjoyable read but I`ll stick to Dragonlance, Black Library pieces and Belgarath.
I'm afraid he actually isn't trolling.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Geldar Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:57 am
Im not, atleast wont do that on the subject of literature.
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by Gesh Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:08 am
On what topic, do you know any good Warhammer fantasy novels? they've got some in my local waterstones. But I'm not sure which to start off with.. Big Fan of The Dark elves.Geldar wrote:Im not, atleast wont do that on the subject of literature.
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by Geldar Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:11 am
I`ll need to dig around tomorow for some names. Right now I wont be rummaging through my library at 5 am in the morning.
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by Meralynn / Ashla Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:25 am
OI! Keep on topic! Discuss other books in another thread! 
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by Tírius Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:13 am
Just ordered the first one from Amazon :3 I'll post again once I've read it ^.^
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by Aleric Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:41 am
G. R. R. Martin is, hands down, the most skilled fantasy author I know of. I say skilled because of the tremendous complexity of his work. The way he manages to juggle multiple plots and subplots, multiple view points, solid story and characters arcs that make you live and die with the characters. The characters themselves are well detailed, whether they are noble, scary, disgusting, seductive, conniving or bon vivants.
It is gritty and dark. Characters die and grave injustices are done to them. Vengeance is had but at a terrible price. The world is at it is and so are the people in it. You have to try and survive the best you can.
I should mention that the dark and gritty atmosphere is well executed and it never feels like it is thrown in there just to make it dark and gritty.
It is gritty and dark. Characters die and grave injustices are done to them. Vengeance is had but at a terrible price. The world is at it is and so are the people in it. You have to try and survive the best you can.
I should mention that the dark and gritty atmosphere is well executed and it never feels like it is thrown in there just to make it dark and gritty.
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by Lavian Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:31 am
Isn't the thrones one being made into a series or something?
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by Amaryl Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:07 am
Ovelia "Snow" Adair wrote:Isn't the thrones one being made into a series or something?
Yes. with Sean Bean actually.
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by Baalin Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:12 am
These old gnomish bones love the books, reading through the 2nd one so far =) Having a blast.
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by Muzjhath Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:55 am
Good books, even if ... one's gotten annoyed waiting for book 5 since 06...
And that book 4 was boring
And yes, it is being made into a TV-Series, and for most part I like the cast that I saw they've collected.
And that book 4 was boring
- Spoiler:
- due to several characters being left out for favour of being in book 5, sadly most of the characters left out were those I personally was more intrested in. The intruiges in Feast was nice and all but to far away from most.
And yes, it is being made into a TV-Series, and for most part I like the cast that I saw they've collected.
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by Amaryl Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:03 am
- Feast of crows:
Well personally I loved the Cersei story arch of Feast, Its actually on of my favourites. The complete arrogance and superiority complex, all to just end up captured in the cellar of some idiotic holy knights she herself created. But I did miss Snow and Tyrion yeah.
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by Grufftoof Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:30 am
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- Though Feast did indeed veer away from the characters a lot of people seem to really love (or loathe) the stuff with Cersei's uttter power hungry insanity was brilliant. Also Martin is on record somewhere saying that Feast was written (or published) this way as it was just to focus on Westros and the Isles, whereas Dance will focus on the East, and the dragons!
I hadn't read these books until relatively late I guess. I was then given the first two. And devoured them. It's mature, gritty, brilliant writing. Without being trite or over the top, to me anyway. The world is something almost describable (the war of 5 kings "feels" like the War of the Roses to some extent, and Westros is medieval, kinda) but then there are things like the Wall, the Others and the lands in the East and South. Magic exists, but it is a tangible, real magic, and it is dark.
Theres sex (including incest and rape), theres violent death (and worse?!). They're probably not books for kids. But they're books I would encourage any reader of fantasy to read. Or any player of WoW. Or RPer.
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- Even the "good" magic that brings Dondarrion back is the same as that which Melisandre uses to spawn the shadow which aids Stannis. And that same magic that gives The Lightning Lord his life (in which he is just, but ruthless) gives Lady Stoneheart her life. And Caetlyn Stark as Stoneheart... what the hell will she get up to?!
And also, what the hell did Brienne shout out as she was hanged?!
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by Muzjhath Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:58 am
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- I have to agree that the ... let's call her the bitch as it is very fitting, The bitch's story line in feast was brilliant, so was the story along Littlefingers plotting, the devious bastard he is.
The biggest beef I have with the book is that after the end of Storm it was mostly characters not really in the book I wanted to hear of. Them not showing up was a bit of a "*Darth Vader voice* NOoooooooo!"
And I have to say I like the cast of characters, the only thing I could ask for is more characters of lower stature, but since that doesn't really fit the books in general I just get the "enlisted" mans point of view from Glen Cook and Steven Erikson.
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by Meralynn / Ashla Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:55 am
They plan to make one season per book of the TV Show and I am DYING to see it! Also they are planning a PC game based on the books!
I often walk around in WoW and wish it was Westeros. The religion of the Seven, for example, how cool wouldn't that be? Imagine the nice little touch it would give to the RP if someone has died, for example and you could say "May the Father judge him justly.". Would be awesome!
Feast for Crows:
I often walk around in WoW and wish it was Westeros. The religion of the Seven, for example, how cool wouldn't that be? Imagine the nice little touch it would give to the RP if someone has died, for example and you could say "May the Father judge him justly.". Would be awesome!
Feast for Crows:
- Spoiler:
- I really enjoyed the Brienne and Cersei storyline, though I agree that my favourite characters being left out made me feel a bit empty. For example Daenarys and Bran, I LOVED those story-lines! Will be so much better in Dragons then, I guess!
Damn Martin for kiling characters off all the time! It makes me so angry! But in a good way. xD
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by Grufftoof Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:19 am
The HBO series is due to be premiered in 2011.
HBO Game of Thrones site that includes a teaser trailer.
Just for you Billiam
HBO Game of Thrones site that includes a teaser trailer.
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- And, you should know the rules. Martin kills a character (or kills a Stark anyway!) each time someone asks when the next book is coming!
Just for you Billiam
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by Meralynn / Ashla Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:28 am
Yay for Grufftoff! 
Thrones:
Thrones:
- Spoiler:
- I was SO shocked when they killed Ned! I just shouted out NOOOOOO!!! as I read it, it was horrible. Then you get kinda used to it, huh?
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by Valerias Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:30 am
Well thanks to Elegost, I've just started getting intrigued - and apparently I'm well intrigued since I read Thrones in the space of two days >> I've ordered the next one, wa-hey!
I'll be honest, I was a little disappointed with the writing, as in the actual words. It's adequate for telling the story, but it's nothing strikingly special. Still, the story makes up for it -- the complexity and the sweeping scale, believable characters, an imaginative world. Fantasy has so much room to be cliche, and I appreciate that Martin's stayed away from using too much magic-ness and stuck to developing the human complexity of his world.
I'll be honest, I was a little disappointed with the writing, as in the actual words. It's adequate for telling the story, but it's nothing strikingly special. Still, the story makes up for it -- the complexity and the sweeping scale, believable characters, an imaginative world. Fantasy has so much room to be cliche, and I appreciate that Martin's stayed away from using too much magic-ness and stuck to developing the human complexity of his world.
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by Thenkar Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:31 pm
These books introduced me to Martin and after they were finished I had to move to Dreamsongs and Tuff stories.
Nevertheless, I absolutely love the series. Won't talk about the plots or characters much yet, because it's been years since I read them last time and my memory's foggy...
Perhaps I'll reread them before Dance comes, just to refresh it all.
And I was a bit sullen at first, when I heard that Feast only dealt with the characters in southern Westeros, like many, my favourites lie in the North and abroad.
Still, thanks to it I think I got some insight into the other characters I might've missed otherwise.
And, if Martin dies before the series ends... we'll bring him back.
Nevertheless, I absolutely love the series. Won't talk about the plots or characters much yet, because it's been years since I read them last time and my memory's foggy...
Perhaps I'll reread them before Dance comes, just to refresh it all.
And I was a bit sullen at first, when I heard that Feast only dealt with the characters in southern Westeros, like many, my favourites lie in the North and abroad.
Still, thanks to it I think I got some insight into the other characters I might've missed otherwise.
And, if Martin dies before the series ends... we'll bring him back.
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by Meralynn / Ashla Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:44 pm
What do you guys think/hope will happen in Dragons?
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- I really hope that Daenarys will manage to invade Westeros and take over. I also hope that Tyrion will stay alive and start scheming again, succesfully. I want Arya to find her wolf and ride it.
And I want Bran to be even more awesome and be in some really cool adventures behind the wall.
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by Grufftoof Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:59 pm
Billiam / Ashla wrote:What do you guys think/hope will happen in Dragons?
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And I want Bran to be even more awesome and be in some really cool adventures behind the wall.
You sound about 12 ^^
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- I think the former will happen. But not succesfully. I think the Wall will fall and the Others will descend on the North. Only to be beaten by John Snow and some combo with the Horn. I think Stannis will die at the hands of Melisandre. I think Caetlyn will kill Cersei, and be destroyed by Jaime. I think Tyrion will marry in the South somewhere. Arya? I dunno... Jaqen H'qhar has more to play in her tale...
Infact, I am not sure I think any of that, as I have no idea... Martin tends to do his own thing!
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