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[A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Feron Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:54 pm
Posters scattered around Ironforge, Stormwind, Dalaran and Darnassus wrote:The Grimoire Gathering
The Senator of Magic in Khaz Modan, Feron Farfield would like to invite citizens of the Alliance to the first ever Grimoire Gathering, a festival devised for the purpose of showcasing and demonstrating the many uses of various Magics.
There will be many chances to meet and learn from fellow Arcanists and Mages, Keepers or the Light as well as Druids and others who posses the gift of magical insight!
Exchange magical theory, pass on techniques and spells, learn and grow together! Even showcase more peaceful yet impressive uses for magic and show citizens how magic can benefit us all.
Competitions, Prizes, Conjured refreshments!
Volunteers and questions welcome! Please find Senator Feron Farfield within Ironforge for any of your queries.
This magical marvel is to take place in Dun Morogh just outside of Ironforge amongst the very same grounds used to host Brewfest, this will take place during the first Saturday of the cold month of December at seven bells.
The use of illegal magics such as Fel magic, Blood magic, Necromancy, Demonology of any kind and various forms of Shadow Magic are banned from the Grimoire Gathering. The only forms of Shadow Magic currently accepted at this event is the conjuring of Healthstones, Soulstones, Shadowguise and other more harmless techniques. It should be noted that you are required to use your own soul or the soul of a tamed creature provided by yourself and not the soul of another person attending the event for Soulstone demonstration. Anyone who attempts to use or misuse such magic at the event will be arrested and detained within Ironforge according to Dwarven Law.
OOC:
Simply this event is to celebrate magic and can serve a few functions for outsiders, This event gives you the chance to ICly learn something new for your character it could be a spell or even basics into a new school of study. Character development people!
Looking for people willing to assist in running of the event, all are welcome to come and attend even none magic users, great excuse to RP, enter the competitions and have a chance at a magic themed prize.
Drop a message to me in game to get a hole of me if you need to know anything. Will be updating more information as and when needed such as the competitions in a day or two.
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Webbles Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:18 pm
This should be interesting!
I could probably help with running it, if you don't find someone better suited (aka someone who actually knows magic).
I could probably help with running it, if you don't find someone better suited (aka someone who actually knows magic).
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Skarain Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:19 am
Sounds like a good idea, even if Skarain frown upon such use of magic. Not like she is going to be present though, but I wish you best of luck with the event. Yorians are likely to show up though. Can't promise any aid from myself unfortunately. No clue how busy my schedule will be around the event time.
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Littlepip Sun Nov 15, 2015 1:30 pm
I will definitely be checking this out if I have any time at all. Sounds interesting.
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Edwin Manaspark Wed Nov 18, 2015 7:05 pm
Edwin will be there, probably with his Army.
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Azapha Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:05 am
ermmm not to be funny about it.. but is it not right that soulstones and health stones are made from consuming other souls which would make them less likely to be accepted than other types of dark magic
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Feron Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:10 am
I did some digging and I cannot find a definitive answer as to whether they do or do not use souls, it is very much up in the air. I can understand some of that reasoning if you were looking at in game mechanics such as the soulwell but much that is in game is not necessarily canon for lore. In this case I would say RP it as you will, but bring a collection of souls from creatures (animals) if you plan on RPing them this way. Any creditable source you can link would be helpful.
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Ixirar Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:58 am
Soulstones obviously use souls. That can't even possibly be debatable. It's called a soulstone. It used to be made out of soulshards before Blizzard took them out of the game. That you got from casting drain soul as you killed a living creature. There's no debate as to whether or not the manipulation of souls is involved in the creation of soulstones.
As for Healthstones, there's no official lore on how it works outside of game mechanics but let's look at the facts:
* Prior to Soul Shards being removed as consumable reagents for lock spells, you needed a shard to make a healthstone. This meant draining the soul of a creature and stuffing it into the Healthstone. This obviously lends itself to it being infused with the energy of a living being's soul.
* The Ritual of Souls is a spell used to create a Soulwell, which grants you and your party members Healthstones. If it doesn't contain the energy of souls then those two have very perculiar names.
* There's nothing that even remotely suggests that healthstones are crafted without the use of souls, aside from the fact that soul shards are no longer used as a reagent for the spell. This is more likely than not chalked up to game mechanics rather than as a statement from Blizzard pertaining to the lore behind these things, similar to how other classes' had reagent costs on their group buffs/mage table removed.
There's no hard lore to say you can't deny it, but every single piece of evidence on the matter suggests that, yes, you need to drain souls and infuse them in the health/soulstones in order to make them, ie. you can't make healthstones or soulstones without the souls of things you murdered.
Personally I can't see a case made for this that allows for much interpretation. Clearly souls are required for these spells.
As for Healthstones, there's no official lore on how it works outside of game mechanics but let's look at the facts:
* Prior to Soul Shards being removed as consumable reagents for lock spells, you needed a shard to make a healthstone. This meant draining the soul of a creature and stuffing it into the Healthstone. This obviously lends itself to it being infused with the energy of a living being's soul.
* The Ritual of Souls is a spell used to create a Soulwell, which grants you and your party members Healthstones. If it doesn't contain the energy of souls then those two have very perculiar names.
* There's nothing that even remotely suggests that healthstones are crafted without the use of souls, aside from the fact that soul shards are no longer used as a reagent for the spell. This is more likely than not chalked up to game mechanics rather than as a statement from Blizzard pertaining to the lore behind these things, similar to how other classes' had reagent costs on their group buffs/mage table removed.
There's no hard lore to say you can't deny it, but every single piece of evidence on the matter suggests that, yes, you need to drain souls and infuse them in the health/soulstones in order to make them, ie. you can't make healthstones or soulstones without the souls of things you murdered.
Personally I can't see a case made for this that allows for much interpretation. Clearly souls are required for these spells.
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by siegmund Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:12 pm
In Legion soul shards are even making a return for more "fantasy" probably Healthstones won't cost shards, but either way everybody knows a lot of healing and such for warlocks comes from draining lifeforce and souls from things. Of course all that falls under necromatic magic and all the fun stuff like that.
Who knows maybe the book that will come out next (Warcraft chronicles) might explain the matter more from a lore specific standpoint. Either way sometimes you just don't have "credible" sources on everything, that's when you use your common sense as Ixi stated already. Souls, life, health
Who knows maybe the book that will come out next (Warcraft chronicles) might explain the matter more from a lore specific standpoint. Either way sometimes you just don't have "credible" sources on everything, that's when you use your common sense as Ixi stated already. Souls, life, health
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Feron Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:35 pm
Soulstones was not up for debate here, and like I said then RP it as such just follow the grounds already laid down of providing your own and not use other attendee's souls for this.
The whole point I am allowing some forms of Shadow Magic in the first place is to encourage those who RP warlocks and other professions still attend and to not restrict the event further.
The whole point I am allowing some forms of Shadow Magic in the first place is to encourage those who RP warlocks and other professions still attend and to not restrict the event further.
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Azapha Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:30 pm
well another suggestion would be to take the event out of alliance territory .. if i had planned something like this i would take the event to outland or somewhere that the law restrictions are no longer a concern. i mean there's only so many things one can do with a soulstone and even using ones own soul there going to be casting souls from shards into the twisting nether to showcase it
also there's the point of soul stones in them self being.. illegal to own as they are regardless of what soul you put in it
i really do love the sound of the event. but in truth id imagine any mage gathering who are knowledgeable on such things would be less comfortable with soulstone creation than demonstration on felflame as the latter at least avoids consuming slayed victims soul
its just my point to consider, this event ill show up to. but it might be worth considering using natural territory if you want to allow for dark casters to participate
also there's the point of soul stones in them self being.. illegal to own as they are regardless of what soul you put in it
i really do love the sound of the event. but in truth id imagine any mage gathering who are knowledgeable on such things would be less comfortable with soulstone creation than demonstration on felflame as the latter at least avoids consuming slayed victims soul
its just my point to consider, this event ill show up to. but it might be worth considering using natural territory if you want to allow for dark casters to participate
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Webbles Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:37 pm
Just ban the healthstones and soulstones, really.
Most necromancers and warlocks were mages before, so they can just use their old tricks.
Most necromancers and warlocks were mages before, so they can just use their old tricks.
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Azapha Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:08 pm
Webbles I agree, but not all warlocks was mages or priests, some would of left that path very early or even learned all of there magic from another warlock..
I kinda understand feron's point of trying to involve more but in truth unless you got the event "sanctioned " to allow some restricted use of dark magic most will probably just attend to watch or simply avoid the event and banning it webbles only pushes more people away from coming
This is why I say it could be easier to resolve it by moving the event out of alliance territory so that the rules are fully based on feron's comfort levels of acceptance rather than trying to dodge around the law thing
I kinda understand feron's point of trying to involve more but in truth unless you got the event "sanctioned " to allow some restricted use of dark magic most will probably just attend to watch or simply avoid the event and banning it webbles only pushes more people away from coming
This is why I say it could be easier to resolve it by moving the event out of alliance territory so that the rules are fully based on feron's comfort levels of acceptance rather than trying to dodge around the law thing
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Webbles Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:52 pm
Well, it seems to me that Feron intended it to be a Senate event (though I'm not sure), and thus it'd make no sense at all to move it away from Khaz Modan.
And banning such magic makes sense IC, but if you want to break character/lore to make the event more inclusive... oh well.
And banning such magic makes sense IC, but if you want to break character/lore to make the event more inclusive... oh well.
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Azapha Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:02 pm
Webbles there are ways you could ic allow it without ooc, a good example would be that the event allows for some war magic under restrictions of nothing that could endanger others (like summoning a big ass demon) which would in effect allow for dark magic use.. I don't Personaly care to much on the matter. I only pointed out the soulstone thing because azapha got arrested for simply having one in her possession, which in effect was accurate to the level of how illegal it actually is
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Feron Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:12 pm
Some reasonable suggestions there however it is a Senate event so moving is not really at all possible, I am willing to adjust the rules if needs be to banning soul/healthstones out of the event afterall as you stated whilst not dangerous in a sense they do use something generally considered horribly wrong 
. This seems to be the only viable solution to the dilemma you present as moving is not possible.
. This seems to be the only viable solution to the dilemma you present as moving is not possible.
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by siegmund Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:26 am
It's really up to the organizer IC and OOC if one feels like they want to allow a showcase certain "beneficial" magic of warlocks supose you can. Of course those include mainly killing things and killings things in agony and souls and all that.
Obviously supose you can put up a controled enviroment if that's the intent of the organizer so you don't end up getting a Fizzlebang.
If nothing else considering it is a magical gathering and constructive conversations are about surely someone sooner or later might bring up some discussion on warlocks and darker arts up for of course. Discussions and theory probably won't be too harmful so there is always that.
That's though more up to the players attending though what conversation they spark up.
Even though I don't have gametime might show on a under lvl 20 guy but then can't talk in say. If I don't though someone do me a favor and ask what to do when orcs riding the infinate dragonflight attack you. Here is a hint
Fun aside good luck with the event.
Obviously supose you can put up a controled enviroment if that's the intent of the organizer so you don't end up getting a Fizzlebang.
If nothing else considering it is a magical gathering and constructive conversations are about surely someone sooner or later might bring up some discussion on warlocks and darker arts up for of course. Discussions and theory probably won't be too harmful so there is always that.
That's though more up to the players attending though what conversation they spark up.
Even though I don't have gametime might show on a under lvl 20 guy but then can't talk in say. If I don't though someone do me a favor and ask what to do when orcs riding the infinate dragonflight attack you. Here is a hint
- Spoiler:
- Varrian knows
Fun aside good luck with the event.
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Webbles Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:51 pm
- Off-topic:
- You can talk in /say even when unsubscribed! I RPed like that for a few days.
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Feron Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:57 pm
siegmund wrote:so you don't end up getting a Fizzlebang.
If only, the event would be more interesting that way haha!
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Azapha Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:46 pm
Feron there is nothing stopping you from using the "under restricted conditions" allowance that the event is allowed to show some dark magic.. i mean its hardly like ironforge would lack the capability to create a warded area with a weeks notices to prevent mishaps with summoning or loss of control of outsiders (by which i mean demons and elementals)
at the end of the day its up to you guys to discuss what you want the event to hold.. unfortunately soulstones are rather difficult to showcase due to the implications of making one (also most warlocks probably already have one stored somewhere already so there soul is hardly an option) unless it was the use of a soulstone for something other than soul storing (which there is lore-wise ability to do in various ways)
honestly though just as it is there maybe enough dark magic users to sit and talk together on theory or even organize a meeting of there own
at the end of the day its up to you guys to discuss what you want the event to hold.. unfortunately soulstones are rather difficult to showcase due to the implications of making one (also most warlocks probably already have one stored somewhere already so there soul is hardly an option) unless it was the use of a soulstone for something other than soul storing (which there is lore-wise ability to do in various ways)
honestly though just as it is there maybe enough dark magic users to sit and talk together on theory or even organize a meeting of there own
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by siegmund Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:23 pm
Webbles wrote:
- Off-topic:
- Offtopic:
- Not sure when you did that, but far as I know you can't, have tried it before and technically can talk in /say but no one, even friends can't see it.
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Re: [A] The Grimoire Gathering 19:00 5/12
by Webbles Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:26 pm
siegmund wrote:Webbles wrote:
- Off-topic:
- Offtopic:
- off-topic:
- It was a couple of weeks ago, and I'm almost entirely sure people heard me! Maybe they changed it after you tried it?
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