Council - Crazy.

During this evenings Council we had intended to pursue a plot to have Crist arrested, and it had alos been a plot for a Yoreling to help her escape (independent of the House)

While I was aware of this OOC, I decided to take a chance on Crist, and... Then. Well, if your reading this, you know.

At the point she walked up the stairs, into the Lamb, our IC involvement ended.
I apologize to anyone who was subjected to this aftermath, as it was, dare i say, bordering... BD RP.

We shall, as a result, not be pursuing any more plots with Night Song, for a long time to come.

Again... Sorry, I hope you don't hold this against the House of Yore, our only hope was to provide a new RP guild with a chance to join in.

I hardly know any of what happen. Regardless, while I believe I can understand your reasoning for not wanting to interact with them, I hope it won't become a trend. Guilds not wanting to interact with eachother or settle their differences (OOC) can become an issue when anything larger is attempted to organize. I would hope you to settle your differences once things have calmed down, if you can.

While hardly directed at me, apology accepted. All manner of things happen in Roleplaying. Mistakes and bad moments happen to everyone. Do forgive yourself, do forgive others and carry on towards the adventures yet to come.

To explain, after the arrest it had been intended for her to be assisted in escaping, however this escape was to also facilitate a RP-PvP event

(Prison break; You may have noticed it on the defias realm forum, we had been trying to get the horde on board and had managed to get some)

So her escape was to tie in with that, however... She was summoned into the Lambs basement, and decided, very casually, to walk up the stairs and say "hi"

My jaw dropped. I went along with it for the beginning, hoping she would make sense of it, but then, after saying hi, she sat down for a drink.

I am very patient with new RP'ers, hopefully people can attest to that, I also "Try" to help OOC where I can, but this was a shambles. At some point, you just have to call car wreck a right off.

So, while I would have preferred to fix it OOC, sadly the only viable response, is to give them space until this blows over
*Edit* Once a sufficient amount of time has passed to consider her officially released from the stockades

Skarain wrote:I would hope you to settle your differences once things have calmed down, if you can.

Yes, I hope that too. Let's not get once again into quarrels of the past. The outcome was deadly.

Sir Zackarus Xaviour wrote:To explain, after the arrest it had been intended for her to be assisted in escaping, however this escape was to also facilitate a RP-PvP event

From the title of the thread ("Toying with an idea for the future."), and it's content I understood, that this is something yet to be organised. I'd love to cooperate on such an event, but I need to be informed, what I and my guild mates are supposed to do, otherwise it's just... Well...

(That evening)
- You will be escorted to the Command Centre, where you'll be interrogated.
- Puff!

(Later that evening)
- You're under arrest for disobeying guards and escape from arrest!
- Puff!

(Later later that evening)
- /w You know, you cannot just Vanish whenever you wish.
...
Hello?

We (I) Would have informed people of the RP-PvP event idea once things were in place, then sought approval for those involved to go ahead with it.

This was to be the first step in that process.

Sadly, plans have changed now. But it was an idea for the "Future" I will just have to find another way to do it.

As for her actions. I feel responsible for bringing her "In" as it were and I will hopefully try talking to her tomorrow OOC to see if anything can be salvaged, if she is amenable to reason, I live in hope haha

Sir Zackarus Xaviour wrote:I live in hope

Make yourself comfortable in here

Not sure I understand what happened, since i'm reading this but I don't know!

But if i understand right something about the Rp PvP / escape plot and arresting a certain Cristfall from Nightsong ( /use glitterbomb ). And trying to RP it out somehow?

(Later later that evening)
- /w You know, you cannot just Vanish whenever you wish.
...
Hello?

Should have used glitter bomb.

I have absolutely no idea whats going on here while reading this thread.

What I gather is this: dudette from not your guild escaped prison/guards/interrogation
dudette from not your guild decided to hide in the lamb
dudette from not your guild was bored having no interacting inside catacombs and decided to go to the bar in the lamb and have a drink
this going up to have a drink is bad RP because this disrupted your planned RP-plot where one of your guildies would help escape dudette not from your guild, which would tie into a yet to determine RP-PVP event that you planned.

So the question I have here is: was dudette from another guild in any way shape of form aware of this entire plot-line you had concocted based solely on her adherance to your planned arrest?
1. did she know she was supposed to be rescued by a dude from your guild, because you explained that to her?
2. did she know this was going to be turned into an RP-PVP event because you explained that to her?
3. Did she know how long (days/weeks) her escape and pvp event would entail and how long she would be imprisoned?
4. was this plot you had Planned with her? or did you plan it with the idea of using her to facilitate it?


Because here's the thing - you cannot plan multi-event story-lines that's lynch-pinned on a specifics character's involvement that is not your own, on other people without their agreement and understanding.

I understand how it can appear somewhat damning on the outside, but much time was taken to check, double check explain precisely what our intentions were to dudette, to make them aware of the "Likely" IC consequences, and to confirm they were willing and happy to go along with certain required aspects.

You will be accused, and likely arrested.

"Thats fine"

You will be taken to the stockades most likely, but from there, there will be an IC plan for someone else to help her escape

"Okay"

You may have to wait a few days while we plan the next part of this event, and it may not happen, but even if it doesn't, your escape still will, or we can wait it out until her sentence is served

"I'm fine with that"

Then she went off plan...

I do try to plan multi-part events, in order to give them more depth, as such it requires certain things to happen, in order to get from A - B.

But I ALLWAYS confirm with the person(s) involved before I begin.

Was there any plan to provide RP for her while she was in the stockades for a "couple of days"?

I'm glad it was all communicated - but having nothing to do is boring. Also, I wonder how much room for improvisation there was here for people to take a left turn that wasn't planned OOCly?

I mean, this is a Fait accompli by this point, so the best thing we can do is try to figure out what you could have done better, next time you're planning to an event that has to happen in a specific order before going off the rails.

Considering people do not follow scripts but want to have fun - which does not necessarily mean bad rp. I get that it sucks for the plan you put a lot of time and effort in, but having a loose frame that evolves based on RP that happens is better than having, a tight plot that's dependant on the Adherance of the RP by the participants.

Amaryl wrote:Considering people do not follow scripts but want to have fun - which does not necessarily mean bad rp. I get that it sucks for the plan you put a lot of time and effort in, but having a loose frame that evolves based on RP that happens is better than having, a tight plot that's dependant on the Adherance of the RP by the participants.

Well... The plan was rather loose. Even when I had started my adventure with roleplay I wouldn't have done the same as happened. Or maybe...

Plans had been made to keep her occupied during those days, yes.

Essentially, we did -Try- to go along with what she changed, when she changed it...
For a little bit, until she went, for lack of a better word. Mental.

Any one who attempted to follow up on it (Credit to you, I had no luck my self)
Will know what I mean. Essentially she seems to have got it into her head, that her character was to powerful to be held, and power emoted down / out of any attempts to that effect. (Why she did this, I do not know)

When OOC was used to try and explain why certain things may be to extreme, it was shot down with "You are all noobs compared to me"

Every opportunity was given. Of That I'm certain.

But Yes, I did learn alot from this "Try" Namely, always consider the person you have made plans with, may have a mental break down at some point, and have a plan B to deal with it. I was -Utterly- unprepared for what happened, which is why the last resort was.. Back away, excuse your self, and ICly withdraw from the situation.

I won't be next time.

Yeah, I don't think anyone really had a huge problem with her not sticking to the plan. It happens when following the plan would somehow break your character.

It was when she alone outpowered 10-20 people from various RP guilds that everyone got pissed.

Hallo i am fairly new to the forums and to rp'ing on DB (so plz don't bite my head off lol) i do feel that to some part, there could of been improvements on the end where plans were made, although as already mentioned by Zackerus there is limits on what one can plan for, and no one planned for the events that happened at the lamb after the escape..

However, even though i am new to rp'ing on DB i do consider myself as a fairly exp'ed roleplayer in general and i do hope that name shaming dos not become a big issue i see on DB, i personally had an OOC conversation with Cristfall last night and as much as i don't see a need to repeat much of what was said she did make a point to me which i felt was fair for her to be concerned about.

Cristfall expressed fears that bad opinions based on her would be rubbed off onto other nightsong members and she expressed concern that she dosnt want to see other roleplayers within her guild excluded from roleplay based on issues that others have OOC about her, i felt it was a fair point and although i feel that people have a right to feel as they do about the events involving Cristfall that other within her guild should not be painted with the same brush which is why i have posted here to remind everyone that the events that took place was involving one member and not all of nightsong.

i am attempting to stay neutral regarding the events and simply help with people moving on towards newer roleplay and to remember that mistakes are made

i hope that the point i have made will be heard and that others will try and move on

Azapha wrote:Cristfall expressed fears that bad opinions based on her would be rubbed off onto other nightsong members and she expressed concern that she dosnt want to see other roleplayers within her guild excluded from roleplay based on issues that others have OOC about her, i felt it was a fair point and although i feel that people have a right to feel as they do about the events involving Cristfall that other within her guild should not be painted with the same brush which is why i have posted here to remind everyone that the events that took place was involving one member and not all of nightsong.

I have no intention of /ignoring or treating badly her guild members based on my interactions with Cristfall. I am even prepared to acknowledge Cristfall's existence if we bump into each other in a tavern or at the Council. What I will not do is personally invite Cristfall (I will invite her guild members unless they show themselves up) to events that I run. I'm not going to badmouth her here, but in my hour long discussion with her last night I have found her to be not the kind of person I wish to interact with, either IC or OOC where I am able to avoid it. This has nothing to do with her guild members and I am not going to penalize them because I have had a run in with her, to do so would be both unfair and petty.

I remain skeptical about her guild members, as I was before even meeting her, because Night Song has until very recently been a PvP guild. I have no reason to believe any of them are even moderately experienced roleplayers. But I'll certainly give them every chance, like I initially gave to Cristfall.

To follow up on Skaraa's post, I will continue to RP with Night Song until I have reason otherwise, but this evening as well as several others I have sought peaceful conversation with Cristfall over /w due to unprovoked criticism and general nasty things being said through the dreaded (()). It would seem she has taken my IC interactions personally and dubbed me a 'jelly poor assassin scared of a real one'.

It is a shame to have to ignore someone who has the incentive to role play, but on this occasion the individual has been rude, nasty condescending and generally criticising basically every guild on the server throughout my interactions.

Apologies for any drama sparked in LFRP, and hopefully we can all just get along.

Peace.

Mate you can't call for peaceful resolutions and still be naming and shaming on community forums. Either be a prick or a mediator, you can't be both.

If you try to be both, you're just gonna be an asshole

I'd like to see myself as a Mediating Force the Dick or MFD for short.

Just putting my point across.

Think what you will.

I love Crist.

She's more entertaining than, like, the entire RP community combined.

Personally I have no issues with her/him/it OOC. However, one day at an event from WoA, some HoY people tried to arrest her and her bloodaura daggers made a nice impression.

All I'm saying is dispite the terrible RP she is giving the rest where she is always OP, she takes things personally in OOC sense. When people take it OOC then thats my sign to stop. OOC drama can break entire communities and I'd hate to see that happen.

Let me just point out that you twats are taking it entirely OOC by participating in what is essentially a naming and shaming thread on DefiasRP.

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:Let me just point out that you twats are taking it entirely OOC by participating in what is essentially a naming and shaming thread on DefiasRP.

Nobody's perfect it seems.

Can I ask some moderator to step in?