Remove half of the things.

I do believe something can/should be done to make the group forums less of a mess. But it should be a solution that doesn't involve deleting all the past content.

The first thing I think should be done is to alter the description of the forum now it says: Group forum Group forum and change that to  Group forums Roleplay discussion regading specific topics or something in that regard.

I would put the infirmary, criminal ooc parts into the game-related section.
I would put the criminal ic part into IC.

I would merge all the alliance subfora into an alliance race specfic section: (though not necessary)
likewise with the horde. (though not necessary).

I would create a new section in the group forums that basically says: old institutions and move: the northern alliance, the stormwind community, house of nobles and the event blackboards into it.

But i'm not sure if this is the best solution, but it might be a better one.

Just so everyone is aware, I'm not ignoring this thread. I have nine days off work from the 1st of August, I'll take care of any changes I think are worth making from then onwards.

Do keep posting your opinions and I'll take as much into account as I can. I'll post here with the updates/changes I make when I make them.

Would removing these sections serve a purpose such as increasing available storage space?
If not, I see no reason to remove anything. This site is easy to navigate, there is no other reason to start removing sections from it.

And what about players who aren't playing right at the moment but still wish to see what's going on around the realm?
Players which like myself wish to even say something on the forums?
If you were to remove things and send them only to the realm forums, then we won't be able to say anything. As i remember, folk used to make recruitment threads both here and on the realm forums, why should they just focus on the realm forums now?
And well, i really don't know what the situation is right now, but posting events on the realm forums led to much annoyance.
There were several periods in our history that Alliance rpers weren't allowed to leave shield zones since they were attacked by gankers on the same moment.
I think one of those walks to Shatt was posted on the realm forums, and we ended up role playing in ghost form, so that we would be able to arrive on our location.

So even if i do agree that people should focus on the realm forums more, some threads are not for them, and we shouldn't just get up and leave these forums for that reason.

Dwyburn wrote:Registry is boring, and the majority of the RPers who read there will already be guilded. It is not a good arena for recruitment. A single sticky thread for Alliance, and one for Horde, like the threads on the official forum would be more beneficial. You'd still see what's out there, but not as much clutter.

I will have to disagree on that, as our guild thread has been in both the realm forums and DBRP for four years now. Some people don't even use the realm forums (myself included) since DBRP covers everything I wish to know.

Dwyburn wrote:Library and art would be cut. Sure, we'd lose some good stories, but quite honestly, most of them wouldn't be missed. A sticky in the new IC could be "Library" where the different writers might link to their writings, preferably on personal blogs.

Your opinion only. I personally like to read the stories down there every once in a while.
And what about the people that took time to write those there, should we just delete it because you can't be assed to read them?

Dwyburn wrote:TLDR: This site has a lot of words. 80% of them are very old and irrelevant words. This makes the size of the website daunting and demotivating. It also makes it harder to find the relevant content.

Even a baby can navigate through the DBRP forums. The format is very simple and informative.

But on the same hand there was also a period in our realm history that when your guild didn't enforce /pvp on you weren't considered a proper RP guild and you should just fuck off to AD.

It is all relative.

Amaryl wrote:But on the same hand there was also a period in our realm history that when your guild didn't enforce /pvp on you weren't considered a proper RP guild and you should just fuck off to AD.

It is all relative.

Who was this directed at, may I ask?

Morgaan I think. should a used quotes i reckon/

Eh? Why should i fuck off to AD, I'm not even from AD?

I was talking about the Chapter and others getting ganked in Darkshire?

I didn't even want nor try to sound hostile in my previous thread, what's this now?

A pretty uncalled poke, don't you think?

Morgaan wrote:There were several periods in our history that Alliance rpers weren't allowed to leave shield zones since they were attacked by gankers on the same moment.

Because role-players don't think in-game power matters in role-play, and players who don't role-play don't count.

If they did, everyone who thinks of their character as a badass would get pvp gear, and they wouldn't have to worry about gankers. They'd have to worry about defending their lands and honor! FOR THE ALLIANCE! DEATH TO THE HORDE DEVILS!!!111

/derail

But we did fight them, heck even took some of those attacks as IC Horde raids, but at some points it's too much. More so with flying mounts, just hovering above us, for hours.

It's not safe out there.

I think my post was misconstrued due to a lack of context, which I guess is partially my fault. Let me address that.

Morgaan wrote:
There were several periods in our history that Alliance rpers weren't allowed to leave shield zones since they were attacked by gankers on the same moment.

Amaryl wrote:But on the same hand there was also a period in our realm history that when your guild didn't enforce /pvp on you weren't considered a proper RP guild and you should just fuck off to AD.

It is all relative.

It is not an insult, it is historical context.

Amaryl wrote:But on the same hand there was also a period in our realm history that when your guild didn't enforce /pvp on you weren't considered a proper RP guild and you should just fuck off to AD.

It is all relative.

Maybe just me, but I think you missed the insulting part.

Oh now i understand, well I do agree with that.
If you wanted danger free role play then you should have chosen a only Rp realm.

Reynar / Raviran wrote:

Amaryl wrote:But on the same hand there was also a period in our realm history that when your guild didn't enforce /pvp on you weren't considered a proper RP guild and you should just fuck off to AD.

It is all relative.

Maybe just me, but I think you missed the insulting part.

I'm not insulting anyone; that was the general attitude of the DB RP-scene in Vanilla WoW (or atleast the vocal attitude). Nowhere did I say; Morgaan fuck of to AD or even implied it.
I'm simply establishing that the zeitgeist of DB changes. If you find that insulting, just remember, there's no room for nuance on the Internet.


Edit: If you want I can actually tell show you the point where this attitude finally starts to shift:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071231165636/http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?forumId=1096&sort=1&desc=true&sid=1&pageNo=12

You can't actually read the threads; because blizzard is a bitch(on topic: also this is the reason why you shouldn't delete things).
This is around 20sept 2007, in the mids of TBC.

There was an event by melnerag and andrek called the mass of shadows. Which was In Stormwind that got ganked by the shifting shadows. In at the time normal DB fashion there were a couple of rounds, the gankers were killed a couple of times the rpers were killed a couple of times. and then people want to continue with the event. Or atleast Some did but ze gankers were still there ganking and preventing it. in the link there are multiple threads dealing with that event, and its a 3 way flame-war by Rpers that thought there event was ruined, RPers that thought the event organisers were ruining Immersion for calling to blueshield in the middle of a horde attack and RPers flaming gankers. and Rpers defending the gankers for creating W-pvp and the gankers laughing at everyone.

It was a fun time is what i'm saying.

after that blueshielded events slowly creeped up.

Amaryl isn't saying to fuck off to AD, he's commenting on the attitude, Rav.

And Erwt, I personally find the view that you should take most in-game mechanics as IC ridiculous. Most RPers do!

I miss the days when all the RP guilds on defias had Mandatory PvP on rules.

I miss the days where I didn't know about silly pvp on/off debates.

Since it's being discussed in this thread for some reason, I'll take the pvp toggle and remove it. Not entirely, however.

I'll keep it and be a very annoying puppet master that turns it on for everyone whenever he likes!

As I said before, I'll be working on things from the 1st of August! Any further suggestions for changes, do dump them here and I'll take care of stuff

Apologies, but any changes will take place on the 4th/5th of August as I'm using some of my time off work to visit a friend for the weekend

Since I'll be starting work on this tomorrow morning, I've done some looking around the forum and there a few things I'd like opinions on.

Horde: The Gathering
The Stormwind Community.

Both of these sections have seen much use, but have gone quiet in recent months. Do we want these sections to remain for future use, or would you rather see them removed? Any useful threads will of course be saved and put elsewhere.

I'm also considering "thread graveyards" for the larger sections. Many people have said they like going back and viewing older threads, so this is a potential way to split them from the active threads. I do intend to go ahead with this idea in the Registry section at the very least.

There are some group forums that haven't been posted in for a long time, such as Magic and SI:7 to mention two of them. I can keep these up, provided they're actually going to be used, otherwise they may as well be removed.

I also intend to go through the forum and move all guides posted up to the top section of the forum.

So, thoughts please!

You could just make the forums which aren't used Read Only Archives?