The Next WoW Expansion

I'm not getting madder, you're getting dumber.

Locks were able to tank for like a few weeks during MOP Beta because of a horrendously broken glyph. There was no spec, and there was never any intent to give Warlocks a dedicated tank spec, nor make them actual tanks through a glyph.

Also, tanky =/= tank.

"Historically, warlocks felt tankier than other casters and could even off-tank some encounters. We have made an effort in Mists to recapture some of that flavor. A warlock with this glyph should feel like they are about as effective tanking as an Arms warrior who pulls out a shield and swaps to Defensive Stance, or a Feral druid who goes into Bear form. You might be able to off-tank adds or pick up an actual boss for a short period of time if the tank goes down."

Ghostcrawler

So you think Arms warriors are tanks?

Ixi, you kids are like sith. Life is not bipolar, it is gray. An arms warr in defensive stance and a shield is more tank than a fire mage.

A bicycle is more of a motorised vehicle than a rubber ball. That doesn't make a bicycle a motorised vehicle.

l2debate.

Bit weird title, since they'll prolly avoid any water zones, which would include Azshara and all that shiz. And would also force them to retcon where N'zoth would be, since he'd prolly been in Abyssal Maw. Considering that, there really isn't much else "the Dark Below" could refer to which makes it perplexing. But it could also be name for some unexplored cavern world where the faceless ones are created from or whatever, or a shadow realm of sorts (though in the case of the latter, the "below" part would seem a bit out of place.)

And it's prolly not Legion returning since then it'd probably be named something akin to "Resurrection of the Dark Titan" or whatnot, in true Burning Crusade nonsensical cheesiness fashion.

I want a warlock tank! MAKE IT HAPPEN BLIZZ!

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:I'm not getting madder, you're getting dumber.

So stop indulging that god-awful troll.

erwtenpeller wrote:

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:I'm not getting madder, you're getting dumber.

So stop indulging that god-awful troll.

I'm not sure you can really be a troll if you're sincere.

Paia/Jenit wrote:

erwtenpeller wrote:

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:I'm not getting madder, you're getting dumber.

So stop indulging that god-awful troll.

I'm not sure you can really be a troll if you're sincere.

He's not. He's a troll. And he gets worse with every post.

erwtenpeller wrote:

Paia/Jenit wrote:

erwtenpeller wrote:

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:I'm not getting madder, you're getting dumber.

So stop indulging that god-awful troll.

I'm not sure you can really be a troll if you're sincere.

He's not. He's a troll. And he gets worse with every post.

Really? I was working under the assumption that he actually was that thick and was then playing the puppetmaster defense.

Paia/Jenit wrote:

erwtenpeller wrote:

Paia/Jenit wrote:

erwtenpeller wrote:

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:I'm not getting madder, you're getting dumber.

So stop indulging that god-awful troll.

I'm not sure you can really be a troll if you're sincere.

He's not. He's a troll. And he gets worse with every post.

Really? I was working under the assumption that he actually was that thick and was then playing the puppetmaster defense.

I refuse to believe any human being can be that much of a dumbass dickhole without doing it on purpose

I'm having difficulties determining whether I'm the troll or Lexgrad is the troll according to erwt

Lexgrad.

Azshara or the Burning Legion. Hmm.

I loved Vash'jir, so I certainly hope for more underwater zones. They are lovely. But from what I gathered blizzard doesn't want to make any more of those. So if the Dark Below stands for Naga-expac, it will likely involve the Isles with Nazjatar being underwater inside some kind of bubble. Underwater, yet still not.

However all foreshadowing points towards the Legion, and the Dark Below does have vague connections to the Great Dark & Twisting Nether.

....unless Azshara throws it in with the Legion and next x-pack is both.

Wait, so to summerise...

I say locks where tanks, confermed by ghostcrawler himself that they want them to be "tanky"

Ixi goes from 0-omfg in 6.2 secs, I answer with linking text from a developer and he/she answers with the weakest argument ever and im a troll. I never said they were gonna MT garrosh but they are tanky. ewrt suck my balls, it is not trolling to debate your corner, even with a child.

Jesus you think my origional response asked for cpt. omfg to even start this bullshit, but no lexgrad is obv trolling. Take your own insecurities and shove them up your arses, you can be too afraid to go out there on a forum, god knows what you are like in life but I will remain the one who says whats on his mind and doesnt care what the mob thinks. I will be the one who calls Eph out on his bs whilst the rest of you pm your silent support but ultimately go along with it.

It is not trolling to disagree, it is bad arguing to take a reasoned point to beyond its limits just to make it seem unreasoned.

Tanky is not tank. Tanks are not tanky. Tanks are tanks. Tanky characters are by the very definition of "tanky" (The "y" signifying that they are tank-ish, not that they are tanks)

Yes, Warlocks have always been the most tanky casters. Ghostcrawler says this is intended. Warlocks have been able to abuse this design to be able to pull off some crazy feats. But just like DKs soloing stupidly insane amounts of things, warlocks being actual tanks is NOT intended. That's NOT what they are designed for. Blizzard tolerates it, because honestly, it doesn't harm anybody that The Hungering Cold managed to do Anub'Arak in Trial of the Crusader heroic with a warlock tanking. They posted their logs afterwards and the warlock "tank" took more than THREE TIMES the amount of damage that even their lower geared tanks did tanking that fight. Warlocks have no mechanics to generate aggro, so they rely on gimmic tactics to tank stuff. They have no abilities that even resemble the toolkit of a tank (outside of the standard defensive abilities that all classes have, but by that logic a priest or a rogue is just as much a tank as a warlock).

Your arguement that because Arms warriors are closer to being a tank than a Fire mage (arguably the squishiest class/spec ingame, maybe aside from arcane mages), arms warriors are actually tanks makes my analogy VERY valid. A bike is closer to being a motorised vehicle than a rubber ball is, just like arms warriors are closer to being tanks that mages are, but just as much as a bike is not a motorised vehicle, an arms warrior is not a tank. Neither is a warlock. Some times, a boss is designed perfectly to allow warlocks to abuse their "tanky caster" niche and allow them to pull the stunt off, but this is a freak incident and is not counted as an actual character role.

Also, fire mages have been "viable tanks" for exactly one more encounter in WoW than arms warriors have. Namely, High King Maulgar required a mage to tank the add with the shield, while warriors have always been required to go prot to be viable (because having the option of being a better tank is useless if you decide deliberately to not do it)

Also, if you think you're cool for speaking your mind and calling Ephitos' bullshit, you're living in some delusional world where people actually care about your mind or Ephitos' bullshit.

@Raenmar: I'm not exactly circle jerking. I've been steadily voicing the opinion that Lexgrad is dafter than a sack of potatoes even before I was borderline semi-liked on this forum. What I'm doing is called consistensy, and has nothing to do with adhering to some sort of pack mentality.

I know Ixi, it was aimed at Paia and especially Erwt with his usual display of self superiority.

Raenmar wrote:I know Ixi, it was aimed at Paia and especially Erwt with his usual display of self superiority.

He is superior, though.

So, you know.

Apples are apples...?

Melnerag wrote:Azshara or the Burning Legion. Hmm.

I loved Vash'jir, so I certainly hope for more underwater zones. They are lovely. But from what I gathered blizzard doesn't want to make any more of those. So if the Dark Below stands for Naga-expac, it will likely involve the Isles with Nazjatar being underwater inside some kind of bubble. Underwater, yet still not.

However all foreshadowing points towards the Legion, and the Dark Below does have vague connections to the Great Dark & Twisting Nether.

....unless Azshara throws it in with the Legion and next x-pack is both.

I actally loved Vash'jir as well. I generally did Hyjal more when leveling, but that was because it was quicker going. I still found Vash'jir to be the more fun zone.
But for Blizz to do a zone like that they'd need to design specific underwater rules for their abilities considering the 3D space you operate in.

They've learned much from Vash'jir.

If they do another underwater zone, I reckon they'll have dealt with all the complaints and it'll go swimmingly.

Thelos wrote:

Raenmar wrote:I know Ixi, it was aimed at Paia and especially Erwt with his usual display of self superiority.

He is superior, though.

So, you know.

Apples are apples...?

 

This is why RPers always get ganked.