Discriminatory Roleplay

I can't think of a better word to go in the title, so that will have to do.
Essentially, Im trying to guage how much interest there would be in discriminatory and right-removing laws aimed solely against Pandaren people in Stormwind.

The basis of the concept is that a registration system is put into place, whereby all Panderen who wish to join the Grand Alliance must register themselves as members of the Alliance, and carry legal, official documentation with them that achknowledges that fact. Since many of their brethern will have joined the Horde as well, Its a plausible and perhaps necessary measure to ensure that Panderen Spys are not used to infiltrate the city and attempt all sorts of evil deeds.

If that is sucessful, after a few weeks, ANOTHER set of legisation would be proposed - One that stop any neutral pandaren from having access to stormwind and the surrounding area, in the interests of security, and that any neutral Pandaren caught within city limits will be subject to search and arrests.

This would continually increase in severity and restrictiveness, each one -hopefully- piggybacking from the previous legistration and any outcry or riots that occur as a result of this, being used as ammunition for the next piece of legislation.

So, if this was properly implemented IC, would any of you be interested in this, or not? Its what I -wished- occured to death knights, but they were a lolfest at the very beginning, so... eugh.

I don't think this is a very good idea.

These sorts of things rarely work out well on the larger-scale. You can have stories about individual Pandaren being singled out and suspected as spies, but I don't see any reason to implement this on a larger scale on apply it to a whole slew of Pandaren roleplayers that probably don't want to have anything to do with this short of grim and dark discriminitaroy shtick.

So, my advice: stick to playing it out with indivudal characters, on both sides. Have some characters be suspcious of Pandaren, and have some Pandaren act suspicious.

I definitely think documentation is necessary! It makes a lot of sense, after all. However, going deeper and deeper into more racist means of taking away their rights would have to be done with a pinch of salt and can't really be preplanned on here, I'd say. The Buckholmes were planning on doing it to the Worgen. Though, removing from the city and premises only lessens RP.

It's not about what makes sense, it's about what's fun, and what is feasible to play out.

I can see mass registration and documentation neither being feasible, nor fun, apart for maybe a very tiny minority of players who enjoys mocking around with laws and such.

For the majority of players though, including myself, I can only see this being a hassle. Something that is more of an annoyance and a hindrance to roleplaying, rather than something that generates roleplaying. It is an attempt to push something in a grim and dark direction before we even dip our fuzzy toes in the roleplaying waters, which I do not like.

I say; just let things play out as they will play out. I have never seen these pre-set laws and ideas on such a grand scale ever work out very well. Don't forget that you are only talking to a minority of the roleplaying community here, either. You're just addressing a small group.

What the big blue guy said.

Want some Legal/False Documents? Got a whole stash of those from my runs.

Aye, well cheers for the feedback. It was merely something I wouldn't mind seeing more of - the darker, more mature side of political, or indeed, ANY Roleplay, which does tend to get glossed over. The general idea was something similar to Orgrimmar, with all non-orcs being discriminated against... ah well.

I am now and will always be against it. Roleplay is meant to be fun, and this will be a huge limitation to those who wish to take everything out from the neutrality of pandaren. Those who join the Alliance or the Horde are the adventurous ones to start with, with their own beliefs. Beliefs which affect which side they decide to join. Cheating and deception does not suit to Pandaren culture, and it is highly unlikely that such a noble race would even agree to do such.

Sure, there will always be an option of neutral Pandaren, and people just who "just do it wrong" by playing a Pandaren like a Human, but that is the beauty of Roleplay.

Obviously the War-plans are kept hidden from the public, and for a pandaren it will be as difficult if not even harder than other races to rise to such a position where they may gain access to such.

Sure, you can be suspicious about a Pandaren. "This one might be a spy", Neutral or not, but you should not go straight away suspecting -every- pandaren to be a spy.

Domovoi wrote:Aye, well cheers for the feedback. It was merely something I wouldn't mind seeing more of - the darker, more mature side of political, or indeed, ANY Roleplay, which does tend to get glossed over. The general idea was something similar to Orgrimmar, with all non-orcs being discriminated against... ah well.

Well, more power to you - make it as dark as you want, but keep it between yourself and other players who enjoy it, and don't force it on other roleplayers who otherwise wouldn't want anything to do with it. There's already plenty of characters in Stormwind who are downright hostile towards draenei, the current biggest alien race; try walking past the Shady Lady on a draenei character without being leered at. I dare you.

They're doing it right: they give me a sense of not being welcome, of being suspected, without actually forcing me to go trough any hassle of legislation. In other words, they generate roleplay without impeding mine, just by the way they play their characters, without having to resolve to any grand and complicated machinations.

If there would be players that, like the loungers around the Shady Lady, would leer at my pandaren and make him feel ill at ease and discriminated: more power to them. I would love that. What I wouldn't love is to have to go trough some complicated legislation process, or, Heaven forbid, even getting banned from the city and completely denied roleplaying due to some legislation a handful of players cooked up in some dark Council backroom.

Just my two cents, of course, you're free to play out whatever pleases you

I don't think the documentation in any way limits the RP, but instead grants more of it. But each to their own. I think it limits it to kick them out of the city, but Alliance Pandas having some form of identification to be recognised makes sense and is fun. I don't see how it is dark! In any way, shape or form. I mean, it wouldn't be an abuse of guards to go around and check the identification all of the time but instead if they're suspecting them. Creates an atmosphere.

Considering pandaren join both factions I feel it rather good that a pandaren atleast a way to prove they're not acting on behalf of the Horde..


And I think it'd be fun to see it as mass discrimination. But I doubt it'd work out in the long run, not everyone wants that, and the fact that not everyone are on these forums, thus would be oblivious to it.

Calls for a Nesingwary Outlaw guild that hunts Worgen, Tauren and Pandaren for their hides!

Worgen would be the more logical target imo, from what little we know of the pandas at this time they dont really seem like they are going to make trouble. Worgs on the other hand could infect other humans and are humans. Far more personal than just some cuddily bears.

As for the DK comment you can be as rasist as you like just bear in mind you will be against the direct word of the king if you try anything legal and as much as DB loves its own lore, which is fine, ignoring the word of he king is a step too far imo.

The bigotted RP i have seen is fine for a time but from the recieving end it can get v boring after a while. Try to make it slightly less cliche if you want to hate pandas.

Lexgrad wrote:
The bigotted RP i have seen is fine for a time but from the recieving end it can get v boring after a while. Try to make it slightly less cliche if you want to hate pandas.

Shouldn't roll a filthy Lich'dorei then.

It would be cool if there was some suspicion towards Pandas, but bans and the such go to far, it's simply strechting the lore too much...

I actually wonder if there's any lore on Pandaren discrimination (or it's non-existence) other than "it would seem logical that" what people keep bringing forward.

I'm glad that this idea has been backed away from. I'd recommend against -any- form of widespread, routine discrimination against new races, unless the lore dictates that it would be utter nonsense not to be hostile.

The reason is simple: new races and suchlike are things that you'll see at the start of a new expansion. A new expansion means new players, and many of them who join us will be new to RP.

Creating an atmosphere of IC hostility will therefore inevitably bleed over into making these new players feel OOCly as if our community is insular and unpleasant, a clique of long-term players with no time for newcomers. This would cause our RP scene significant long-term harm.

These forums locked doesn't help the thing above either, but that is another thing.

Aye, cheers for the feedback everyone. As I've said, it was merely a suggestion to the community a few months in advance to guage the interest, which seems to be a resounding no.
Though, I do have one last thing to put to the community - If there are no reasons to leave Stormwind, then why is there always a demand for RP hubs outside of the Capital? One would think that something that gives you a -very- persuasive idea to leave the capital *continues to slap bat against palms* would perhaps be seized upon.

All Horde Pandaren get branding marks, ...Here Cho-chang! Come get your cattle prod scar!