Re: [IC] The State of Stromgarde - A Call to Arathorians Across the Alliance

by **Krogon Devilstep** Sat May 12, 2012 2:44 pm

Anaei/Vezullia wrote:
Orthur wrote:
. If this is true, I hereby renounce him as the Voice of -our- ancestors, the title bestowed upon him was done so that he might keep the faith. - I pray this is not true, it would rock our very faith to the core to know our greatest had fallen to Phelgas' grasp

Those are the assumptions, if you spoke to Orthur you'd know atleast why he has done what he has done even if you ICly disagree and perhaps understand that it is in no way an affront to the Arathorian Faith if reinterpreted which is Orthur's goal in bringing it North. It's not a fall from grace, or to Phelgas (Divine Shadow), but an enlightenment granted by Suxen (Holy Light). It is very much still Ancestral Worship even if the Anethionites would deny it, it fundamentally is.

Oh and it's ironic, had Anaei never given Orthur the title Voice, and the Spirits of the Ancestors not blessed that decision with willing conversation and presence, Orthur would never have been granted this groundbreaking revelation for it's purpose is to deliver the Ancestor's Will- through Orthur as the Voice, which is aimed at simply helping and guiding the Arathorian people. (Which is the primary purpose of the Voice of the Ancestors.) it just so happens that this pill is hard to swallow, in comparison to most revelation.

I will of course happily debate what that relevation means, and yes, fair enough I see what you mean by assumptions now, although when one consorts with the enemy, one suspects foul play by good ol' Phelly! I don't see an irony, the Voice of the Ancestors in it's very description, "A symbolic title meaning that the holder speaks for the faith and attempts to make sure that no one dissents or flees the faith for the 'comfort' of the evil phelgas." Speaks for, does not dictate too. There is no special powers that come with it, nor has there ever been.

Ancestral faith is being viewed too much as a religion to be followed and worshiped when it was conceived as more of a path to walk along than anything strict. I believe that's what the majority are going to return to with the new revival, but still, no doubt we'll have discussions but i'd like to see it return to it's basics, before it became a church. So while Orthur reforms, there may be a counter reformation back in Stromgarde! His vision may effect all of us up here after all.

And thus the warriors gathered at the Sacred stone's of Thoradins throne, Circled around the eternal fire and chanted their praise to their heroes, thanks to the light, and prayers for the future!

by **Zhakiri** Sat May 12, 2012 3:12 pm

Of course it will that's the point, controversy always breeds RP, why else would I have done it? Certainly drove a few people into kick starting efforts up north.

And in regards to the title, yes it's symbolic, everyone after all has te potential to commune with the Ancestors but the Voice is spoken too. This is why Orthur is doing what he is, because the Ancestors dictated it to him not the other way around. At least this is what he believes.

And yeah, Ancestral Faith has changed since conception- it's evolved.

by **Magaskawee/Anaei** Sat May 12, 2012 3:20 pm

Orthur wrote:Of course it will that's the point, controversy always breeds RP, why else would I have done it? Certainly drove a few people into kick starting efforts up north.

And in regards to the title, yes it's symbolic, everyone after all has te potential to commune with the Ancestors but the Voice is spoken too. This is why Orthur is doing what he is, because the Ancestors dictated it to him not the other way around. At least this is what he believes.

And yeah, Ancestral Faith has changed since conception- it's evolved.

Progress for the sake of progress isn't evolution. Still we'll see how things go, hopefully with this revival we can get it back to what it was when everyone was passionate about it.

by **Rmuffn** Sat May 12, 2012 4:23 pm

Anaei/Vezullia wrote:
Orthur wrote:Of course it will that's the point, controversy always breeds RP, why else would I have done it? Certainly drove a few people into kick starting efforts up north.

And in regards to the title, yes it's symbolic, everyone after all has te potential to commune with the Ancestors but the Voice is spoken too. This is why Orthur is doing what he is, because the Ancestors dictated it to him not the other way around. At least this is what he believes.

And yeah, Ancestral Faith has changed since conception- it's evolved.

Progress for the sake of progress isn't evolution. Still we'll see how things go, hopefully with this revival we can get it back to what it was when everyone was passionate about it.

I'm passionate about it! And I've never dwelled into the whole "Represent Light and Shadow" thing, I see them purely as Men(or women) of Old, the first of our kin, and how they reflect a proper lifestyle (or bad lifestyle if you like to look at the less-good people) for the arathorian (or even human race) people.

However as a warrior and not a priest you're easily disregarded when passionate.

by **Magaskawee/Anaei** Sat May 12, 2012 4:33 pm

Faralan wrote:
Anaei/Vezullia wrote:
Orthur wrote:Of course it will that's the point, controversy always breeds RP, why else would I have done it? Certainly drove a few people into kick starting efforts up north.

And in regards to the title, yes it's symbolic, everyone after all has te potential to commune with the Ancestors but the Voice is spoken too. This is why Orthur is doing what he is, because the Ancestors dictated it to him not the other way around. At least this is what he believes.

And yeah, Ancestral Faith has changed since conception- it's evolved.

Progress for the sake of progress isn't evolution. Still we'll see how things go, hopefully with this revival we can get it back to what it was when everyone was passionate about it.

I'm passionate about it! And I've never dwelled into the whole "Represent Light and Shadow" thing, I see them purely as Men(or women) of Old, the first of our kin, and how they reflect a proper lifestyle (or bad lifestyle if you like to look at the less-good people) for the arathorian (or even human race) people.

However as a warrior and not a priest you're easily disregarded when passionate.

And that's precisely bang on what the faith is meant to be, it's not about the light or the shadow. The ancestors aren't 'another word' for the light. They are as you say, the first of our kin who we attempt to emulate and revere.

by **Zhakiri** Sat May 12, 2012 8:43 pm

And that is where our interpretation differs, good ey?

by **Hermie** Sat May 12, 2012 9:05 pm

Will the Kingdom be welcoming us gnomes once more?

by **Krogon Devilstep** Sat May 12, 2012 9:40 pm

Hawksprocket wrote:Will the Kingdom be welcoming us gnomes once more?

As mercenary's yes, but only as that. The chance for promotion for non-humans is limited. Humans of other nations can gain Arathorian citizenship with a lttle effort and work their way up... All humans are Born of the blood of Arathi afterall Cool