Path of Conquest: Chapter I [Concluded]

I second Koz.
Just know that if you do a /rude and walk away (in my opinion you should always run back to your faction after ressing) you deserve all the death that comes your way.

Well that goes both ways but I promote no retaliation to be honest. Once you leave the door open for "self righteous" rebuking, there's no telling where it will end. What if someone slams in an AoE attack and kills other ressers that were running? What if you attack the wrong guy? What if someone sees a buddy getting ganked and tries to pull him out?
The shitstream will be out of control before you know it. If you feel -that- offended by something as silly as that, report the player.

To be honest. I don't feel offended in the slightest in it.

I just think it's bloody fucking stupid and unsportsman like and thus should get a penalty.

I didn't notice that much of a negative atmosphere myself, though I suppose those are the kind of things that differ in the eyes of the beholder. Those I RPed with at the event itself seemed to be in a rather carefree mood themselves (save for two orcs that were too busy bickering with each other rather than focus on the enemy). I suppose for healers, these events might be a little different, considering how they tend to get picked out. The exact same has counted for our own healers not only this campaign but the previous one as well. It's just how PvP is, apparently.

As for killed rezzers, I have, save for one occasion upon which the player involved got kicked from the raid, only seen players get killed who provoked it myself. That doesn't necessarily say a lot, as my own two eyes can only see so much, but all of these "what if"-s don't take away the fact that some rezzing players would rather just stand and gape or lolemote on those who are trying to RP on the spot rather than move off as is customary. I'm not going to blame anyone who chooses to at last fear them away or whatever (killing should only be a last resort) if it interrupts the RP of those standing there (which has happened before).

Kozgugore Feraleye wrote: all of these "what if"-s don't take away the fact that some rezzing players would rather just stand and gape or lolemote on those who are trying to RP on the spot rather than move off as is customary.

Oh certainly a good point. For the ressers it's often an OOC moment, but this isn't the case for the people left standing. I encourage promoting this on Horde side as well

Omg!11! Horde = BadRPers they godemoted they could see I wasn't a Belf!11!1 (I was slightly disappointed I couldn't yell "For the Horde!" in Thalassian, before being killed)

I personally wouldn't have attacked a ressed Horde if it wiggled his arse in my face.. Just because the rules say you shouldn't. It's just that f'ing simple. I know too, that people who did as much as auto-attack the ressing Horde on Alliance-side were being told off.

Also, I got a tad annoyed when Koz (and a warlock) killed me when I got fan of knives'd out of stealth. The other day we knew we had rogues all around us, I am not sure if I actually succeeded in breaking one's stealth, but we didn't rape them. Because the rules say you don't fight before x time. Again, it's that flippin' simple.

Also, I am going to mention it again: You charged early which, intentional or not, pissed ALOT of us off, and rightly so.. Especially when you denied us a rematch. Personally, if it happens again, I won't participate in the campaign anymore.

Drefurion wrote:
Also, I am going to mention it again: You charged early which, intentional or not, pissed ALOT of us off, and rightly so.. Especially when you denied us a rematch. Personally, if it happens again, I won't participate in the campaign anymore.

If we count the 15-20 minutes as a total amount of time you delayed between each charge / attack, that 30 seconds is trivial. Heck, we still got 14-19 minutes 30 seconds overdue, as some people had to go by the time that last charge happened. Not everyone can be around 20 minutes longer due to a gazillion reasons, and I seriously hope you consider that when there's an actual schedule to stick to and has been there for weeks now.

That said, the Hordeside preparation before each battle takes roughly 20 seconds, tops. Are you sure that 30 seconds was that fundamentally evil when you had at least 3 minutes before each clash and instead apparently squeezed every buffing, toiletbreak and whatever other activity for that one last minute?

Frazl wrote:

Drefurion wrote:
Also, I am going to mention it again: You charged early which, intentional or not, pissed ALOT of us off, and rightly so.. Especially when you denied us a rematch. Personally, if it happens again, I won't participate in the campaign anymore.

If we count the 15-20 minutes as a total amount of time you delayed between each charge / attack, that 30 seconds is trivial. Heck, we still got 8 minutes 30 seconds overdue, as some people had to go by the time that last charge happened. Not everyone can be around 20 minutes longer due to a gazillion reasons, and I seriously hope you consider that when there's an actual schedule to stick to and has been there for weeks now.

That said, the Hordeside preparation before each battle takes roughly 20 seconds, tops. Are you sure that 30 seconds was that fundamentally evil when you had at least 3 minutes before each clash and instead apparently squeezed every buffing, toiletbreak and whatever other activity for that one last minute?

I am not saying we would've won if you had charged 30 seconds later, certainly not. I am just saying I think it's terribly rude to charge us early when an agreement had been made on when you would. I stick with what I said, if it happens again, I am out.

So us being 30 seconds short out of a possible mistake /local time difference is bad whilst being XYZ minutes late is fine and dandy.

Guess I'll drop the issue here. The Campaign is too much fun to whine over such hiccups.

And then -we- get accused of taking things too seriously. Hm.

Anyway, I wasn't aware of any "no fighting before the fight starts" (wut?). From where I was standing, it looked like someone was being attacked, and since it was so close to where we were standing, some of us decided to help out.

As for the "charging early" part, I'm not sure what's going on there, as I perhaps missed out on something, but from what I understand, there are some people complaining about 30 secs. difference or something. Honestly, is that something even worth complaining about? Everyone has a slightly different time on his/her computer's clock. Thirty seconds is a minor difference there, so if there's a need to mention that, it might be worth noting that the Horde had to wait for several minutes longer than we were told to, resulting in (from what I had gotten to count at that moment) two AFKers on our side by the time you finally did decide to attack.

The contrast is a little strange here, as I see some (rightly so) noting the matter of taking things too seriously, whilst others do just that. I prefer to go to an RP-PvP event with a passive approach, relying more on the RP rather than the PvP itself. If I want all-out PvP for the sake of winning or whining, I'll go do some arenas or battlegrounds instead. I understand some minor RP inconveniences can occur, such as trying to disguise yourself as one of the opposing faction, though some killed on the assumption that you were still wearing an Alliance's tabard. Whether that's justified or not, I don't see how it's going to help this discussion any further.

In my opinion, we ought to relax a bit more.

Mistakes have been made on both sides, big fucking deal. We're all human after all (apart from Kristeas that is, who is quite frankly a wanker! ).

A "whoops, sorry." or a "won't happen again." would be nice.

I can't promise that. And I'm definately not groveling because of a thirty-second premature charge.

Gnash wants me ;_;

Im not asking you to kneel before me and beg for my forgiveness. But fine, I won't participate anymore.

Aaaahhh... same old same.

Raelan/Relithien wrote:Aaaahhh... same old same.

QFT

I just don't like being portrayed as an overreacting dick, because it shoul be about 'fun'.. whilst they made alot of alliance feel cheated out of a fair 'fun' fight, and not have the common decency to atleast say: "Sorry, guys, wasn't supposed to happen, will try not to make it happen again."

I don't care about losses, and even defended the Horde outnumbering the alliance, but when you make an event and set rules, and break them (even if that's by just 30 seconds) and you don't have atleast the common decency to say sorry, and just play it down and actively try to make the other party look bad.. I just don't think that's very respectful to the other party.

Dre, wouldn't say you are.

I wasn't there for most of it, I chose to stand to the side for more even numbers instead. But you seem to only focus on the one time Horde charged 30 seconds early, but forget many times when the alliance changed several minutes late. Looking on that both sides are at fault and it can't just be one side.

Muzjhath wrote:Dre, wouldn't say you are.

I wasn't there for most of it, I chose to stand to the side for more even numbers instead. But you seem to only focus on the one time Horde charged 30 seconds early, but forget many times when the alliance changed several minutes late. Looking on that both sides are at fault and it can't just be one side.

Yes, but we're that retarded kid in the class, we need more time.

*edit* on a more serious note: There's a huge diffrence between charging late and delaying a fight I feel.

One of our healers had DC'd got back and had just ressed himself when you charged.. And it's not even as much the fact that you charged early, but that I've not heard a single "whoopsy" and if the alliance delaying the attacks made you feel cheated out of a fair fun fight, than I do apoligise on behalf of the alliance.

I agree with Jeanpierre.. I think this campaign is great idea.. I am just not going to partake in it anymore, because I know that should a same incident happen I'll get really frustrated, and I don't play this game to get really frustrated.

And if it is between 30 second early, and 2 minuts late. I rather have the early since I'm generally tense 2 minutes before the charge xD

I did apologize to Jomir. Don't see why you're making such a big deal out of this. And to be honest, I think I was quite fair tyvm! After that last battle I suggested squeezing in a rematch to my raid, and guess what? They unanimiously rejected that proposal. With good reason imo.

I see what you're trying to do here but I'm keeping my foot down. Fairness works both ways.

Drefurion wrote:

Yes, but we're that retarded kid in the class, we need more time.

In our school we had teachers to make sure that kid wasn't mingling with the mentally healthy kids or be target for bullying.

Drefurion wrote:Yes, but we're that retarded kid in the class, we need more time.

Well despite the laden discussion this made me laugh. I think perhaps some brighter mood is indeed due in this thread!

I certainly seem to frown at some of the things that happened, but the campaign is, never the less, a marvel. Let's try to honor that eh?

How can I argue with such a well placed line. Curse you purple skin.