Shadowmeld and Roleplaying

You can, however, choose to role-play it as being such if you prefer. Just don't get mad at people who do use it as a complete invis.

erwtenpeller wrote:You can, however, choose to role-play it as being such if you prefer. Just don't get mad at people who do use it as a complete invis.

Agree one-hundred-percent, I do not understand why people come up with such arbitary rules or reasons to simply debunk roleplayers using stealth. The fear of being overheard should be just as much an element in roleplay, as the fear of being caught. Locked doors are seldom ever soundproof, and if you aren't taking steps to communicate this (having your conversation via whisper, or party chat?) then you cannot hold players who may have walked past accountable for witnessing the exchange of information.

If you do not want people standing outside the door? Position guards, don't have the necessary players or resources to do this? Adjust, and compensate for the fact somebody may be listening.

Worried somebody is on the roof or is listening through a crack in the wall? Fill it in, or have somebody stand on the opposite side to ensure this doesn't happen. Don't have the necessary players or resources to do this? Adjust and compensate.

Want to have a conversation behind a soundproofed object? Have it in whispers or party chat, and /emote the fact you're doing so.

Pro post, failmage. Would read again.

I'm of the school of thought of Blogatelle when it comes to Nelf DK's.

http://blogatelle.wordpress.com/2008/11/04/theme-week-night-elves-the-night-elf-play-file/

Death Knight: Twice damned. To be undead is to slip out of tune with the world, to deny ones rightful place in the circle of life. But to do so willingly, in the search for power? There is no way faster to demonstrate your contempt for the wisdom of Elune.

Which is why Raene believes Nelf DK's who do not contribute to the glory of Elune should kill themselves. Only the living should humour themselves with pointless 'fun' stuff, because they're still alive, part of Elunes plan. Anyone who goes against it by being undead had better have a good reason for staying alive, and if it's anything other than for the glory of Elune, she dismisses them.

She's a little more accepting of other races DK's however, something about inferior races not understanding the glory of Elune don't matter anyway, even in death. Draenei DK's are a whole different matter, but that's too intricate for this non-DK thread.

Edit: To clarify why I'm talking about Nelf DK's, it's because of the whole "contempt for Elune" thing. Especially when the majority of RPers here seem to believe it's an Elune granted ability.

Monrena wrote:

Aelrath wrote:

Monrena wrote:espeshialy if its very dark.. the glow could infttc give her away

All Elven eyes glow. Sin'dorei (Green), Quel'dorei (Blue), Kaldorei (Golden for Druids or special born and Silver naturally).

im treeting it because of the following
Shentin was only just an adault nelf at a sprightly young 312 years old when she caught the pluage and died.. only to be braught back to undeadhood just as the battle of lights hope was in progress.. the hold fell befor she had been trained and put threw the process fully into dk hood.. as a result she has neather the ability or skill to fully shroud herself with shadowmelding

Aren't night elves immune to diseases?

Edit: To clarify why I'm talking about Nelf DK's, it's because of the whole "contempt for Elune" thing. Especially when the majority of RPers here seem to believe it's an Elune granted ability.

The only lore we have on Shadowmeld is the quote from Tyrande in WC3 where she states that Elune gave them the ability.

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:

Monrena wrote:

Aelrath wrote:

Monrena wrote:espeshialy if its very dark.. the glow could infttc give her away

All Elven eyes glow. Sin'dorei (Green), Quel'dorei (Blue), Kaldorei (Golden for Druids or special born and Silver naturally).

im treeting it because of the following
Shentin was only just an adault nelf at a sprightly young 312 years old when she caught the pluage and died.. only to be braught back to undeadhood just as the battle of lights hope was in progress.. the hold fell befor she had been trained and put threw the process fully into dk hood.. as a result she has neather the ability or skill to fully shroud herself with shadowmelding

Aren't night elves immune to diseases?

Yes, but there was a window in which they weren't.

Ah, right. My mistake then.

indeed from vanilla to cata nelfs were fully mortal anf vulnerable

Arenfel/Mikhael wrote:

erwtenpeller wrote:You can, however, choose to role-play it as being such if you prefer. Just don't get mad at people who do use it as a complete invis.

Agree one-hundred-percent, I do not understand why people come up with such arbitary rules or reasons to simply debunk roleplayers using stealth. The fear of being overheard should be just as much an element in roleplay, as the fear of being caught. Locked doors are seldom ever soundproof, and if you aren't taking steps to communicate this (having your conversation via whisper, or party chat?) then you cannot hold players who may have walked past accountable for witnessing the exchange of information.

If you do not want people standing outside the door? Position guards, don't have the necessary players or resources to do this? Adjust, and compensate for the fact somebody may be listening.

Worried somebody is on the roof or is listening through a crack in the wall? Fill it in, or have somebody stand on the opposite side to ensure this doesn't happen. Don't have the necessary players or resources to do this? Adjust and compensate.

Want to have a conversation behind a soundproofed object? Have it in whispers or party chat, and /emote the fact you're doing so.

Logically, this is entirely correct, but I've seen far too many bad RPers come out with intel heard through roofs etc regarding *low* conversations. It's a bit ridiculous to have to go to such lengths when, realistically, the mechanic of "stealth" is simply an in-game representation of ACTING STEALTHY, which someone can do through emotes. Why assume there are cracks in the roof in the first place? Why assume the door isn't soundproofed? Does the player -ask- this in advance? Maybe the door is an eight-inch steel thing put up last week for your military guild, and that rogue legitly -can't- hear what's going on. Having to take the RP to party or /w breaks the immersion/RP for me hard. I'd rather just not have people stealth. Personally if seriously important information is gathered from my RP, by a stealther who could not have ICly heard it, I -will- disregard the stealther's involved RP completely.

If the relevant players are aware of the stealther and agree to it that's one thing, private RP is private RP and I don't care. I've agreed on occasion but, in general, I just think it's over the top to use a mechanic to make yourself OOCly undetectable, when ICly you might be. I'd rather someone just stand on the other side of the door and emote listening in, or emote cracking open a roof tile, unstealthed, from the roof, to listen, etc. For shadowmeld, I wouldn't really mind getting a /w of "my elf is melded nearby listening in" in a dark forest. I'd buy that personally, that's fine, I've been OOCly alerted, agreed to it, it's quite viable ICly etc.

Edit--as a reminder, you can't see emotes made by people in stealth, last I checked. So that rogue may be cheerily, properly emoting away with /e listens in! , but nobody will see it!

Feral / Blackfall wrote: I just think it's over the top to use a mechanic to make yourself OOCly undetectable, when ICly you might be.

which is why you emote with it to make your pressence known

Monrena wrote:

Feral / Blackfall wrote: I just think it's over the top to use a mechanic to make yourself OOCly undetectable, when ICly you might be.

which is why you emote with it to make your pressence known

Just remember to do it unstealthed, or whisper the person. They can't see emotes if you're in stealth and not in raid, afaik. Unless this was changed? Test it out, someone, quick!

Edit--as a reminder, you can't see emotes made by people in stealth, last I checked. So that rogue may be cheerily, properly emoting away with /e listens in! , but nobody will see it!.

Going to test this out for my own curiosity, as I honestly didn't know this!

So even shadowmelded.. emotes are null?

Calisar wrote:

Edit--as a reminder, you can't see emotes made by people in stealth, last I checked. So that rogue may be cheerily, properly emoting away with /e listens in! , but nobody will see it!.

Going to test this out for my own curiosity, as I honestly didn't know this!

So even shadowmelded.. emotes are null?

This is not true. I've seen people emote from stealth plenty of times.

Last I checked yeah. You have to either a. be in party, or b. be able to see the person in stealth to see their emotes. Unless it's been changed (it has been a few times over the course of WoW).

My "/e rolls them bones". Or "/e rolls his dice" when I vanished or did some things (shifty eyes) in stealth used to show up... and annoy people. But I think we were in Party. So dunno about out of party etc for sure. Though I thought my "/e dips a hand in %t's pocket" worked.... maybe it never did.

Feral / Blackfall wrote:

Monrena wrote:

Feral / Blackfall wrote: I just think it's over the top to use a mechanic to make yourself OOCly undetectable, when ICly you might be.

which is why you emote with it to make your pressence known

Just remember to do it unstealthed, or whisper the person. They can't see emotes if you're in stealth and not in raid, afaik. Unless this was changed? Test it out, someone, quick!

this i did not know Im too buisy right now to try but am ewilling to try later add shentin to your friends list

Just tested it myself Can't see a stealthy's emotes when they are stealthed. Unless they are in party or can be seen!

Hopefully helps some people

ahhh alright
point noted..
*macro's emote to shadowmeld*

...Weird. Oh well, good to know.

Shadowmeld is complete invisibility. I think it is safe to say if one of the most powerful demons (Archimonde) couldn't see Tyrande from 20ft away when she Shadowmelds then we know two things:

1. Shadowmeld is not common knowledge, probably a trait Night Elves keep secret.
2. It is completely invisible.

Monrena wrote:indeed from vanilla to cata nelfs were fully mortal anf vulnerable

Wait.. Did I miss something? Did night elves regain their immortality?

no idea did cata with the re discovery of mnt hyjal or however you spell it give it to them back or no?

Nope

Nope, Night Elves are for ever more mortal QQ

ahh ok then does that not mean that they are still voulnerable to dissease? or did I miss out on some importent bit of lore somewhere?