Your character at their worst and best, morally.

Out of curiosity, I was wondering what's the most ' evil ' thing your character would ever do? (Or has done?), and the most ' good ' (or has done?) by your own personal morals. Give your reasons behind these choices, even if they are hypothetical, and state any further opinion you want!

Vectoria has always been a chaotic character, as soon as she was raised her sole existence was based off revenge and proving her strength after a life time of repression and the mundane, she believes undeath to be her liberation and holds no true faith or loyalty to anyone else but herself.

Because of this I originally tag her off as neutral evil, tending to her own emotional needs: such as killing and hunting the living who crossed her simply because it gave her a huge sensation of strength and importance, she even condemned a few fellow forsaken, soon paying the price.

But after some time I started to think about what would happen when The Lich King died? When it stopped being about the great hunt and the endless conflict she was presented with, she'd grown so use it, all the fighting and the backstabbing, as well as the spoils both of those brought. I thought about the child she had lost? The husband she had seen slain? and the family who: she believes at least, to have betrayed her and never truly accepted her. I think serving her own personal vendettas and emotional ties mean't that Vectoria became more about chaotic neutral, looking out for herself and doing what she believed to be right.

Darkest moment: hunting down various living relatives, and maliciously murdering them: three in total, two of them blood elves, one High elf within the Alliance.

Vectoria knew this act to be evil, even recognized it as her emotions of loss and confusion clouding her judgement: but still pursued the dark urge. A life time spent repressed by her pure blood relatives, reminded of her human eyes and her half-bred frame. She also blames the death of her human mother on these bigots, although that matter was never truly explained.

She was hammered down by years of neglect and knowing only shame that she presumably brought to the house simply by being born. To the point where her siblings and other relatives would allow her to be the victim of the prejudist Quel'dorei state and all it's hidden spites. I believe all those times Vectoria had faced a situation where her mixed blood resulted in her missing out or facing unfair repercussions, erupted in her mind at each of those revenge kills, cheering her on each slice of her blades.

Brightest moment: I have never painted Vectoria as a hero, at least not a hero of the people. If you were to get the whole of her mind at your disposal you would soon learn that she has literally become a self-proclaimed hero, considering herself the old victim to be save.

She was treated unfairly and sees nothing wrong with being just as harsh to a world that dealt her an unfair hand. But she is still a slave to some of her past morals, upon her death Vectoria was with child. This wasn't just any child, it was a promise of something that would be -hers- and hers alone. It was a child who would face the same situations that she did, but it would have a mother that would defend it and someone to strike at any of it's oppressors.

Now, naturally the child was never born, it died when she was killed. However Vectoria has had a chance where she could have killed a mother and daughter, she dropped her blades and stuttered out of the house in a panicked sprint. I believe this to be the turning point in her story. She was reminded of what she lost and found herself realizing that all the strength she had gained was beginning to poison her soul.

Vectoria has never killed anyone she believes to be -innocent-. Usually this is children, pregnant women and anyone protecting their child. She would however see no issue in tormenting a Paladin or slaying a warrior of the Alliance, after all she is seen as a monster to the Alliance (arguable also to The Horde.) and that's something she's grown to accept.

I'll go into more serious posts later but as far as Eira the most evil thing I can think of for now is what she had done to date was ditch Nifty with the aid of her gryphon and her faithful guard Eiria(A coincidentially named alt) at the pinnacle of Blackrock mountain..

Without shoes....

This'll be quite a difficult one...

For Timna:
Darkest moment: When she began realizing and accepting what path she had chosen, namely the path of her former mentor.
She had swore long ago before that not to go his way, but unwittingly walked it either way. She's killed for it, hurt people for it, and in a practical sense died for it. She's not sure if she sees it as evil, but she is well aware that it has and will furthermore hurt anyone who was or is in her immediate presence.

Brightest moment: When she gave up her family to join a dark cause in order to keep her people and Kingdom safe, damning her own reputation and others feelings/care for her. She's managed with this cause and has effectively made it difficult for the organization to live once more, or atleast the person that tormented her so will be miserable; she has seen and will continue to see to this task together with her newfound friends.

That's pretty interesting Timna, I think it's quite interesting how selfless she sounds.

Compared to Vectoria at least!

I still believe however Vectoria is an incredibly tormented individual and I feel almost bad how she's such a slave to her own personal morals and views, she can rarely see past her blade and quite frankly empathy has become a tool to manipulate people rather then show any real kindness.

Wonder if that'll change? Would be fun!

Vec wrote:That's pretty interesting Timna, I think it's quite interesting how selfless she sounds.

Compared to Vectoria at least!

I still believe however Vectoria is an incredibly tormented individual and I feel almost bad how she's such a slave to her own personal morals and views, she can rarely see past her blade and quite frankly empathy has become a tool to manipulate people rather then show any real kindness.

Wonder if that'll change? Would be fun!

You sound quite the opposite to Timna, something Timna purely strives not to be. It'll be interesting to say the least to see if she changes. In fact, at one point I'd love to meet Vec before she's put out of business, and to hear more about the plot you wish to set in motion once Vec gets back on her feet.

Well Vectoria ' came alive ' when she arose undead, that was her original theme liberation from a life repressed and riddled with doubt. The past few years have resulted in her becoming addicted to control, power and conflict, she became so enticed by such primal emotions that were just considered improper in her Thalassian childhood. She forgot who she was.

In some ways she has yet to understand who she truly is and hasn't stopped trying to run from her past to even think about her future logically and spiritually. I would love to see something happen that resulted in her being -different-, not loosing her love of freedom but gaining some sort of purpose.

She needs to learn to trust people.

FYI, Vec, being out for yourself is only neutral when it doesn't result in the harm of others to do it. If Vec is harming people for the sake of her own personal vendettas, then she's evil, regardless of if she feels she's doing the right thing. Evil is the advancement of personal goals at the cost of other people. Neutral is the advancement of personal goals without concern for helping others but also without hurting others in the process.

If Vec is hurting others in order to advance her own goals, she would would be Neutral Evil or Chaotic Evil, not Chaotic Neutral.



As for Drustai, she's bounced between good and evil many times over her long life. For the most part though, she's been evil. She's been trying to reform for the last several millennia, but it's been a long road. She's done very, very horrible things, from "simple" torture and mindrape to assisting in genocide on planetary scale.

Her biggest atrocities come from when she was in the Burning Legion. She made the fateful choice to stay behind on Argus when the Draenei fled, and spent the next several millennia as a Man'ari Eredar. She reveled in it at first, but the dog-eat-dog society eventually began to wear her down, and she finally snapped after getting close to some of the Legion's victims.

Currently, she classifies as Lawful Neutral, leaning towards Lawful Good. She's been Lawful Evil for most of the last few years though, only recently has she really begun pushing up again.

Ultimately, Drustai's biggest issues have been reconciling her compassion with her inferiority complex (stemming from her mother treating her as a failure during her childhood). The latter has often won out, resulting in her ambition and willingness to embrace darker arts.

Darkest Moment: It's hard to name any specific incidents here. Dru has committed a lot of horrible acts, so it becomes impossible to single out a specific event. Her greatest sins were probably while in service to the Legion. Assisting in the genocide of worlds isn't really something that can be brushed aside. Drustai did try to keep out of direct involvement, however, preferring to sit back and work from the shadows. Thus there's a bit of separation there that kind of limits the amount of empathy one can have (statistics is easier than 'seeing the whites of their eyes'). Considering how long she was with them though, she's probably been in plenty of situations where she did directly commit the crime.

Since leaving the Legion, her darkest moments have been in regards to orcs. The Orc War left her incredibly traumatized, and she's been more than willing to call for genocide against the orcs in retaliation. She's gone out of her way to torture and murder orcish non-combatants, including children. For example, during the Path of Conquest campaign she tortured the orcish prisoners both physically and mentally, and helped cause the death of Mazguul's unborn child. She was advocating executing the prisoners as well, though she was lawful enough to hold back when her orders said otherwise.

Ultimately, she justifies it to herself by believing that orc innocents do not deserve to be left unharmed because the Horde did not leave draenei innocents unharmed during the Orc War. Typical blood-for-blood style revenge, in her mind the orcs' slaughter of draenei children gives them no right to have mercy for their own.

Brighest Moment: The most recent bright moments for Drustai have been her willingness to sacrifice of her own reputation, legal standing, and even her own life in order to save lives. Regardless of how people view the actual morality of using necromancy, her motives were out of compassion.

However, her brightest moment ever would, once again, be in the Legion. Specifically, her choice to finally say 'no'. She's a coward with many flaws, so it definitely meant something when she was finally able to call up the courage to actively rebel against the Burning Legion.

Specifically, she was involved in the invasion of a world, and in the course of infiltrating its locals to convert and undermine them, found herself caring for them. She had already been gradually losing her faith in the Legion, so after coming to value the mortals she finally decided to fight back. She did a lot to waylay the invasion plans, and even orchestrated the death of the commanding general, though was ultimately unsuccessful in saving the world.

After the events of this incident, Drustai started actively seek to redeem herself and find a way to escape the Legion. She risked her life and gave up most of her power and standing in order to quietly undermine it from then on.


The big thing with Dru is that she actually does have the moral fortitude to do the right thing despite being all of her flaws. You hurt or threaten someone she cares for and she'll risk everything to save them, even when knowing and fearing that it'll cause herself harm. Real courage isn't the absence of fear, it's having fear and overcoming it. For all of her selfishness and cowardice, Drustai will sacrifice herself when push comes to shove.

My other character, Saphra, is much more down-to-earth. She's designed to be more or less a normal person that is occasionally thrown into situations that are completely beyond her.

Unlike Dru, Saph does not really fall into any extremes. She fits best as True Neutral. While her mindset is Neutral Good, the fact that she frequently doesn't act on her feelings prevents her from being a truly good person.

Darkest Moment: Saphra doesn't really have any truly dark moments. The closest thing to a dark moment was her sadistic actions as a feral worgen, but that was something she did not do willingly and has left her with terrible guilt.

Other than that, the only other things that one could consider dark moments are her willingness to lie and steal from other people... even her own family. She's a junkie that burns through coin to pay her habit, so it's hard for her to resist taking valuables that are right in front of her.

It is possibly better to classify Saphra's "dark" moments as apathetic moments instead. Her evil is not really in committing evil, but allowing evil to happen. As said above, Saphra has a Neutral Good mindset, but doesn't act on it. Like Dru, she's a coward. Unlike Dru, she isn't able to overcome it most of the time. She knows it's wrong to steal, but she does it anyway. She doesn't like seeing people get hurt, yet hangs out with people who hurt people on a regular basis. She doesn't have the confidence or energy to stand up for what she believes in, and frequently just runs away.

Brightest Moment: All that being said, in some situations though Saph will stand up for what she believes in. She won't fight though. She's a coward and pacifist. But sometimes she can manage enough courage to simply stand firm. It's meek, it's pathetic, but sometimes just that tiny bit of courage says enough.

In most cases, though, Saph's bright moments are simply her kindness. Not any great good action that changes someone's life or the fate of the world. Just simply being nice to people.

Awesome Idea!

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This certainly is a tough thread to awnser for me in Thelos stead. He tends to prefer staying somewhere in the background, playing the mentor or the advisor, the preacher and ocassionaly the healer, but never the fighter or the general. Sometimes he is the invisible hand that moves the pawns without them realising they're being moved. This rarely puts him in any classical "Mass Effect Paragon/Renegade" situations.

That being said, Thelos is Lawful Good, sometimes to the point of being Lawful Stupid. His awe for the law is nearly absolue, his devotion to the Light is absolue and has always meant to be one of his defining characteristics. If possible, he would allow some Naaru to make every single moral choice for him: he espouses to become the angel on his shoulder.

This is why Thelos darkest moments tend to be those rare ocassions where the switch is flipped and his super strict moral code gets suddenly rather violently overruled by emotion. The most recent example of this is when he went ballistic when Drustai and Delidah appeared in Shattrath after having used necromancy to revive Jarric. Suddenly all those neat pacifistic and peaceful tendencies were thrown out the window, leaving something like a snarling rampaging wildebeast in its place.

As for brightest moments, Thelos doesn't really have them. That's not to say he isn't bright, but just that he doesn't tend to have moments. The field of his moral experiences tend to be one vast spread out homogenous blob of divining the "Light's will", which most of the time means being nice and refraining from harming people. Unlike Drustai, Thelos never struggled with his devotion to the Light. Rather than a lack of faith, Thelos sometimes struggles with a lack of piety. At his normal, status quo state though, he's a pretty stand up guy. Nice, polite, patient, compassionate, everything those bright windchimes are also known for.

The thing with Thelos and the Naaruvada is that you are expected to behave like a perfect moral paragon by nature. Doing so warrants no pats on the back, no applause, no recognition. If a neutral third party would come along and offer said pat on the back, Thelos would shrug it off saying "Such was the Light's will", denying authorship of any good he does and rather dedicating it to the Light. Evil, though, does come from mortal weakness, and any evil he will take very seriously to the point of Lawful Stupidity. It's a very assymetrical approach to morality, where good is considered the norm, and evil is considered to be te anomaly, rather than good and evil both being anomalies of neutral (which does not excist in Thelos' worldview)

for Dharum it's hard to rank a most darkest moment but possibly the one with the longest lasting effects was when he aided Shagrath in teaching Fenuviel especially torture and various other things. This had indirectly plenty of effect during a rather long time. This is probably one of the only things he woud later regret.

Brightest moments would probably be saving Fira Firefiend on a several occasions, he had a soft spot for the gnome. He also sometimes tends to have short moralistic streaks but they are quite rare.

Man, this is hard stuff...

Delidahs Darkest Moment must have been her time stranded in Felwood. She thought all her friends abandoned her, her "love" put her aside to be with a man and the overbearing loom of her evil master all became too much, and in a final confrontation with her master she ended up being hurled through the nether blindly, to land in Felwood. Cold, alone and Suffering from severe mana burn, she spend weeks in those woods until she mustered enough energy to bind demonic runes into a portal.

...Or that time she had her mind erased by a worgen Blood Mage.
...Or that time she spent in Exodar rehabilitation to get rid of her addiction to fel magic.
...Or her most recent incarceration in Strormwind prison, followed by a trial, an escape, and now a death warrant.
...Or maybe that moment she has to say goodbye to her loved one, because Delidahs corruptive influence changed her into something different.

Delidahs brightest moments are seemingly often. She's a cheerful character, and sees joy and wonder in most things. Her brightest moments have been in the Blue Recluse, tending bar there for the more... Magically attuned crowd, hopping between stormwind and her home in Shattrath, nice and close to the biggest library in existance.

...Or maybe, twisted as it may seem, the brief moments she was on the run for the law with a band of rogue mages. It may have been wrong, but Delidah thrives on all the chaos and magic happening around her.
...Or maybe that time when she helped the Desciples of Light save Jean Pierre from cultists.
...Or maybe one of the many blissful moments spent with a loved one.
...Or maybe when she finally defied her evil, oppressive and abusive master and saw the world through renewed eyes...

Might be a dark or bright moment, depending on who you ask. It's certainly one of the more ambiguous in Saevir's career:

Using his council position to authorize and fund research into combinations of blood and fel magic, then going behind the government's back and using the results in an assassination attempt on Shro'gan from half a continent away that might have affected anyone sharing his blood as well. (Would have succeeded too if Shro hadn't been fortunate enough to be within arms reach of his voodoo doll of Saevir at the time)

Blimy blimy.. Hmm this is A thinker,

Darkest momentdepends on the definition, her darkest moment would be most recently, she threw fear anger and worry became blinded to her own emotions facts and voices of those around her, she ended up using the lights gift to inflict harm onto those she thought had caused the potential death of her partner
but on the other side.. could have been her extended period of rehabilitation from the crash.. struggling to walk and stay awake.. her mind dwelling on her missing relatives yet unable to search for them

Brightest Moment most likely when she was finaly cured of her narcolepsy, her lover and tutor did everything they could to get rid of this ailment, thow she is almost blind from it and thus needs thick glasses.. she was ecstatically happy that people cared for her to such an extent

Sanara:

Darkest moment:

Setting Drustai on fire, then later physically torturing her and imprisoning her with anti-magic chains for weeks to "help" her believe in the Light. So what if it worked, it's still a bloody cruel thing to do which ended up alienating some people who looked up to her.

Brightest moment:

Nearly killing herself to cure a Twilight's Hammer-created plague afflicting people at the Grove of the Ancients sometime last year.

Maybe not her brightest but I have shit for memory so it's the only one I can think of (since it's fairly recent still).

Brightest moment: actually befriending someone.

Darkest moment: willingly allowing himself influenced by the Cult of the Forgotten Shadow.

Speaking of a character which is 90% lawful neutral, 10% derp.

These are pretty awesome guys! I think talk like this really helps to define and explore character's you've created and even give direction for the future! Keep them coming!

Darkest Moment:
Well... Velynia has done plenty of evil, sadistic things both in her backstory, and in actual RP. I'll do one of both. In her backstory, I'd say the most vicious and cruel thing she's done is performing multiple human sacrifices, alongside torture and a variety of other horrific acts, during her time with the Shadow Council in Jaedenar, though she hardly considers it evil in any way herself.
In actual things I've RP-ed out, most like torturing Grenier for giving in to the Chapter of Holy Anethion.


Brightest Moment:
Seeing as I've only actually Roleplayed Velynia in-game at the point where she is already a Cultist nutter, she hasn't done all too many kind acts, though you could consider her forgiving a certain Worgen for betraying her an act of kindness.
In her backstory, she's done multiple kind and compassionate acts, at least, in her teenage and early twenties, when she was still a Mage, instead of a Warlock, namely attempting to redeem herself after she first had an interest in Fel Magic, fleeing to Boralus and becoming an aide to a Priest for six months, though she did eventually become corrupted.

Cool thread. Im never dating Sophyra.

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For Faralan I guess it would be;

Darkest Moment:
The time when Eodan had a fit on Faralan for brief kiss with Sharyssa, leading to Eodan continuingly insulting Faralan, this would lead to a fight, which is all fine. But to stop them their feet were frozen, Faralan could not reach the man for a punch yet had to endure hearing the provoking insults, in blind rage he pulled his sword to thrust through Eodan's chest, which would've killed the man had Faralan's best friend not stepped between, she risking death instead (had there not been a priest present, luckily.).

Brightest Moment:
Faralan risked his reputation, and own membership within the Alliance and the Seventh Legion (at the time, Garodin's company) to allow Timna's brand as a traitor of the Alliance nullified, and let her back into the Alliance and army under trial.

Pretty much, if she would betray them again, he'd be branded a traitor with her, simply for voicing her innocence and urging her return to be of good intents.

Sullee!

Darkest moment:
.. The moment he was challenged by a certain Twiggle Figgins to a poker game. Het left the building with a debt of fifty-three gold coins. He's committing crimes ever since to repay it. The infamous Greenbeard corrupted one of the happiest vivid gnomes to a professional crook.

Brightest moment:
Sullee's never been very bright.

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While undercover working with Zaraj, she was trying to find a cure for the plague that Axio unleashed against anti-Zaraj coalition. She bluffed and lied till Axio believed that the Plague spread to Stormwind, and urged Axio to create an antidote. Axio insisted Exaythe acts as her lab-assistant. Little did Exaythe know that assisting a crazy necromancer in her lab means doing evil experiments on orphaned children. She pushed through regardless, eventually stealing the antidote and bringing it to Good Guys.

Hah, yes... I also frequently rank this as Ax's most depraved moment.

As for a bright moment, I suppose turning against cultists and screwing them over royally by handing over the Nightmare ledger to the Stormwind authorities and working for justice is the best and most recent example.

And yes, Axio. I guess one day Exaythe and Axio should have some closure. I suppose Exaythe's second-darkest-moment is being Axio's jailer, confessor, guard, prosecutor, judge, executioner, funerary aranger, priest who said the last rites and undertaker and finding her guilty and sentencing her to death for the crimes they have comitted together >_>

Axio must be very pissed.

Ahh, Morinth...

Her darkest moment must have been the hunting and gleeful slaughtering of her helmsman's love. Him being a Tauren and his love being a blood elf, it was an abomination in the eyes of the man she was in love with and she used her charm and the respect she had from her helmsman to lure the elf to 'safety'. As she turned to thank Morinth, she noticed the smile on Morinths face and it wasn't a friendly one. Several elves appeared and the poor soul was tortured and killed. At the same time, Morinth slaughtered one of her own crew, the one who was trying to protect the innocent lass.

Morinth felt guilty afterwards when her helmsman found out her part in this, and she accepted as punishment the fact that her man she loved was in fact manipulating her.

Her brightest must have been her time with her Shattered Hand unit. Working on covert operations, spying on the Alliance and generally being a "FOR THE HORDE!" type of lass.

Although they were betrayed by one of their own, giving Morinth a major trust complex, she'd still do work for the Horde if it were of Shattered Hand standards. She prefers to work in the background.

Ishap's mostly a chaotic good sort of character I guess.

Darkest moment IC'ly she was part of the purging of Stratholme. For times I've played her probably when she tied a cultist to a lead weight and dropped him into the canals to drown as he'd escaped the prison so many goddamn times.

Brightest moment Forming the rear guard to allow Aarian and some other Disciples to get back to Stormwind and bring re-enforcements, led to Ishap getting tortured and branded by the Sphere.