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Thrall: Twilight of the Aspects
Continueing with their amazing decision to keep most of the actual storytelling to every other media but the game itself, T:TotA hit the shelves today. Apparently copies have been hitting individual people even prior to that, and hence spoilers are allready floating about aplenty.
Relevant spoilers quotes (note that I do not own the book and am taking most info from this thread) following;
* The Alternate Timeline in question is one where Thrall died as an infant - Taretha survives. Blackmoore, thus deprived of a means to raise an orcish army of his own is left with creating a regular military force the hard way. His efforts actually aid his popularity, and beforelong he achieves such a sizable army that he marches alongside Lothar on Blackrock Spire. In this time period it is actually Blackmoore who ends up defeating Orgrim Doomhammer in single combat, shattering the Doomhammer with his broadsword.
Lusting for power, Blackmoore secretly strikes a deal with the remaining Orcs and then marches onto Lordaeron. Terenas, Uther and Lothar are killed. Arthas flees south to Stormwind and marries Jaina, spawning a son whom they name Uther Menethil. Kel'thuzad becomes Blackmoore's advisor and is evicted from the Kirin'tor as a reselt. The plague does not happen, or is delayed.
** Nozdormu is, in fact, revealed to be the leader of the Infinite flight by, get it, himself. The old bronze coot states that the Infite Leader is a future version of himself that was not meant to be - since Nozzy knows exactly how he will die, and apparently the road leading up to that. Time travel stories, always so fun to deal with.
Nozzy also mentions that everything that's currently happening is related, or in other words, Old gods be screwing shit up.
*** In other words, the Titans created the moons. This spawned some discussion concerning Elune on various boards, haven't really bothered to read too much into it myself though.
Things after that quote get rather sketchy, I know that Benedictus reveals the first truly effective Chromatic Dragon/Hydra as a means to kill off the Aspects and that there's a big showdown at the end with Thrall acting as a Proxy-Earth Warden (someone mentions a quoteformat statement that he cannot ever truly become what Deathwing used to be).
Page through the thread (here) for additional details, which there are a lot of. Like why certain flights take which form, or how they prefer to be in a humanoid shape when they "show eachother their affenctions"/bang.
Bottom right: Benedictus and Kyrigosa, she made off with some eggs or something.
Discussion, corrections, etc.
When Azeroth was young, the noble titans appointed the five great dragonflights to safeguard the budding world. Each of the flights' leaders was imbued with a portion of the titans' vast cosmic powers. Together, these majestic Dragon Aspects committed themselves to thwarting any force that threatened the safety of the WORLD OF WARCRAFT.
Over ten thousand years ago, a betrayal by the maddened black Dragon Aspect, Deathwing, shattered the strength and unity of the dragonflights. His most recent assault on Azeroth—the Cataclysm—has left the world in turmoil. At the Maelstrom, the center of Azeroth's instability, former Horde warchief Thrall and other accomplished shaman struggle to keep the world from tearing apart in the wake of Deathwing's attack. Yet a battle also rages within Thrall regarding his new life in the shamanic Earthen Ring, hampering his normally unparalleled abilities.
Unable to focus on his duties, Thrall undertakes a seemingly menial task from an unexpected source: the mysterious green Dragon Aspect, Ysera. This humble endeavor soon becomes a journey spanning the lands of Azeroth and the timeways of history itself, bringing Thrall into contact with ancient dragonflights. Divided by conflict and mistrust, these dragons have become easy prey to a horrific new weapon unleashed by Deathwing's servants . . . a living nightmare engineered to exterminate Azeroth's winged guardians.
Of even greater concern is a bleak and terrifying possible future glimpsed by Ysera: the Hour of Twilight. Before this apocalyptic vision comes to pass, Thrall must purge his own doubts in order to discover his purpose in the world and aid Azeroth's dragonflights as they face the Twilight of the Aspects.
Relevant spoilers quotes (note that I do not own the book and am taking most info from this thread) following;
-Book starts with Thrall at the Maelstrom trying to soothe the elements with a spell he and the other shaman are casting. Nobundo is leading the spell this time, so apparently they've had to cast this spell many times over, even after the World Pillar has been fixed. Thrall screws up, people (especially Aggra) yell at him, and a refference is made to Thrall's apparent relationship to human women.
-We see Alex and Krasus in the Ruby Sanctum, which is described as damaged but recovering from a recent black dragonflight attack (hey, I was there for that!) They talk about the new blue aspect, Krasus seems prejudiced against the blues after the nexus war, though he grudgingly admits that he likes Kalecgos. Krasus stays with the eggs to read them a bedtime story while Alex goes to the meeting at the top of the temple. Arygos is there, he really hates Alex and the red flight, calling her arrogant to assume she should direct the destiny of the blue flight. Kalec tries to talk him down. Ysera appears and starts saying cryptic things about the Hour of Twilight. Arygos calls her crazy.
-Suddenly the Twilight Dragons appear! They're being led by the Twilight Father, who we all know by now is Benedictus (See soundfiles from Clysm Beta). The three dragonflights band together and start fighting them off, but Alexstrasza realizes that the attack had to be a diversion, and then we see the sanctums destroyed, with Krasus still inside. All signs point to Krasus being the one who did it, with Arygos saying that he had joined the twilight's hammer. Kalecgos doesn't believe it but has no proof. Alexstrasza goes mad with grief, shatters the Orb of Unity (effectively ending the accord), and flies away, attacking anyone trying to stop her. Later we learn that the eggs in the sanctums had been turned into chromatic whelps, and that they would eventually infect all the living dragons as well. Krasus uses his magic to destroy the sanctums. Meanwhile, Alex flies to a mountaintop in Desolace, where she says she's going to wait to die.
-Benedictus and the Twilight's Hammer capture Wyrmrest after the dragons flee. It's revealed that he has Arygos' sister, Kirygosa, captured on a magical chain that forces her to remain in human form. He reports to Deathwing, who is displeased that the dragons merely fled, and were not destroyed. In particular, he's angry that Ysera escaped. Apparently there was a prophecy that that says a single orc would one day rise up to challenge Deathwing and possibly defeat him. Deathwing, obviously, does not want this to happen and realizes Ysera would probably seek this orc out.
-Ysera realizes that Thrall is the only one who can stop the Hour of Twilight. She sends Thrall to go soothe the elements in a druid village in Feralas. He does so, meeting and befriending some night elves who live there. After putting out a fire, he realizes the forest was actually a grove of Ancients, and one of them gives him an acorn full of knowledge. The Ancients say that they're "confused." (Spoilers: it's because timeline fuckery)
- One of the night elf druids reveals himself to be a green dragon and says that soothing the elements of Feralas was a test by Ysera, and that they needed to see if Thrall was ready to go to the Caverns of Time and stop previously mentioned timeline fuckery. They go to the Caverns and Thrall learns about the infinite flight. He sees a little bit of hillsbrad - his past - and is a little freaked out. Desharin (The green dragon) suggests that they meditate. Just before Thrall starts, though, A Time Assassin appears! He beheads Desharin and starts attacking Thrall. They fight for a little bit before a bronze dragon throws him into a time portal, saying that Thrall's task is to find Nozdormu
- Thrall gets to relive certain parts of his past that were important to him. The murder of his parents, the landing on Kalimdor, a meeting with Medivh. The assassin shows up again during the murder of his mother and father, and thrall throws him into a river where he supposedly drowns. All the while he follows flashes of Nozdormu through important points of his life. Eventually he gets into the alt timeline we've all heard about*, talks to Taretha and Krasus, and figures out Blackmoore is the time assassin. Then he realizes that he has to live in the moment, and realizes that time is an illusion. When he opens his eyes he's outside of time itself with Nozdormu, who had gotten stuck in the timelines while searching for an answer to the dilema of the Infinite Flight.**
-Meanwhile, the blue dragonflight is trying to figure out who their next Aspect is going to be. Though most of them are more concerned with the problem of actually making someone a new aspect rather than actually deciding on one. Some of them believe that maybe they can't make a new aspect, and think that they'll simply vote one someone to take up the title. Kalec dislikes the idea of voting to give someone an empty title. It's also said that there's a schism in the flight between Arygos' supporters and Kalecgos'. Though apparently the two moons are going to be in conjunction in a few short days, just like is was when the Titans originally empowered the aspects***. Nozdormu also believes there's a conspiracy against the aspects.
-Ysera has a vision of the Hour of Twilight, in which the entire world is completely dead, with all of the aspects killed and deathwing impaled upon Wyrmrest. The twilight dragons are the only thing left alive, and they fly around Wyrmrest in victory.
-Nozdormu sets Thrall out on a task to rouse Alexstrasza from her grief. He rides Tick (who is a girl dragon!) to Desolace and confronts her, but fails in revitalizing her. He and Tick head off to the Nexus to unite the blues with the other flights.
* The Alternate Timeline in question is one where Thrall died as an infant - Taretha survives. Blackmoore, thus deprived of a means to raise an orcish army of his own is left with creating a regular military force the hard way. His efforts actually aid his popularity, and beforelong he achieves such a sizable army that he marches alongside Lothar on Blackrock Spire. In this time period it is actually Blackmoore who ends up defeating Orgrim Doomhammer in single combat, shattering the Doomhammer with his broadsword.
Lusting for power, Blackmoore secretly strikes a deal with the remaining Orcs and then marches onto Lordaeron. Terenas, Uther and Lothar are killed. Arthas flees south to Stormwind and marries Jaina, spawning a son whom they name Uther Menethil. Kel'thuzad becomes Blackmoore's advisor and is evicted from the Kirin'tor as a reselt. The plague does not happen, or is delayed.
** Nozdormu is, in fact, revealed to be the leader of the Infinite flight by, get it, himself. The old bronze coot states that the Infite Leader is a future version of himself that was not meant to be - since Nozzy knows exactly how he will die, and apparently the road leading up to that. Time travel stories, always so fun to deal with.
Nozzy also mentions that everything that's currently happening is related, or in other words, Old gods be screwing shit up.
*** In other words, the Titans created the moons. This spawned some discussion concerning Elune on various boards, haven't really bothered to read too much into it myself though.
Things after that quote get rather sketchy, I know that Benedictus reveals the first truly effective Chromatic Dragon/Hydra as a means to kill off the Aspects and that there's a big showdown at the end with Thrall acting as a Proxy-Earth Warden (someone mentions a quoteformat statement that he cannot ever truly become what Deathwing used to be).
Page through the thread (here) for additional details, which there are a lot of. Like why certain flights take which form, or how they prefer to be in a humanoid shape when they "show eachother their affenctions"/bang.
Bottom right: Benedictus and Kyrigosa, she made off with some eggs or something.
Discussion, corrections, etc.
Flo- Posts : 802
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Told you they just put of Bene's betrayal. LONG LIVE ARCHBISHOP FORTESGUE!
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Scarcely any mention of Romath so far though, wonder how he ties into it.
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Deathwing impaled on the Wyrmrest Temple.... I demand pics of that D:... that are also suitably epic.
And why Romath? Because that old "spoiler" that he would be the horde version of bishop ben?
And why Romath? Because that old "spoiler" that he would be the horde version of bishop ben?
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There's something about the lore for this that feels very... err... I don't know but very fan-fictiony to me, it's always been a long standing belief of mine that time travel should never have been implimented in Warcraft simply because of situations like these. What's everybody elses view on it?
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Loktheris wrote: There's something about the lore for this that feels very... err... I don't know but very fan-fictiony to me, it's always been a long standing belief of mine that time travel should never have been implimented in Warcraft simply because of situations like these. What's everybody elses view on it?
It kinda implies that once WoW dies they can keep the franchise going through books and movies..
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Hm. Quitting WoW seems tempting.
:< Bloody lore screwing.
:< Bloody lore screwing.
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oh heavens... I can't belive I just read that...
I can't believe someone is getting paid for that...
It's so over-the-top epic it's not even interesting how they could have come up with it. Every single literary warning bell I have is ringing...
I can't believe someone is getting paid for that...
It's so over-the-top epic it's not even interesting how they could have come up with it. Every single literary warning bell I have is ringing...
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To her credit, I'm more liable to buy what Golden writes than Knaak's drivel - mostly because she doesn't insist of having her own characters steal the show I suppose.
And let's just be frank here, this' is basically what WoW's been building up to since the end of tBC - is it honostly that much of a surprise?
And let's just be frank here, this' is basically what WoW's been building up to since the end of tBC - is it honostly that much of a surprise?
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Anaei/Vezullia wrote:Loktheris wrote: There's something about the lore for this that feels very... err... I don't know but very fan-fictiony to me, it's always been a long standing belief of mine that time travel should never have been implimented in Warcraft simply because of situations like these. What's everybody elses view on it?
It kinda implies that once WoW dies they can keep the franchise going through books and movies..
Near infinite expansions. That's what I think about it. "We need a new expansion.. HOW ABOUT THE WAR BETWEEN THE TROLLS AND AQIR?!"
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Lame. Here I was hoping they'd scrapped the stupid 'BENEDICTUS IS TWILIGHT CULTIST!!!' idea.
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Drustai wrote:Lame. Here I was hoping they'd scrapped the stupid 'BENEDICTUS IS TWILIGHT CULTIST!!!' idea.
I never saw it as stupid. I think the idea the highest and most influencial being able to be turned was spooky and frightening.
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Anaei/Vezullia wrote:Drustai wrote:Lame. Here I was hoping they'd scrapped the stupid 'BENEDICTUS IS TWILIGHT CULTIST!!!' idea.
I never saw it as stupid. I think the idea the highest and most influencial being able to be turned was spooky and frightening.
Surely he wasn't that high?
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He never really did all that much in all honesty, they've taken characters that had very little purpose other than to give quests in the game and used them as Twilight fodder.
I thought Deathwing was a fantastic villain at first, but I find it rather stunning how much coodination he has whilst being driven insane by the whispers of an old god... After three expansions with a focus on dragons in a hefty part of the game; TBC having Shadowmoon Valley being the most minor of such; and WotLK being the biggest culprit; I'm honestly sick to death on the focus of dragons.
Give us a Troll expansion, let the Aqir return in force and give us a true villain that actually requires coodination between two factions to defeat. Sorry, but having Tirion suddenly Ashbring the Lich King does not count as "the two factions working together." :/
I thought Deathwing was a fantastic villain at first, but I find it rather stunning how much coodination he has whilst being driven insane by the whispers of an old god... After three expansions with a focus on dragons in a hefty part of the game; TBC having Shadowmoon Valley being the most minor of such; and WotLK being the biggest culprit; I'm honestly sick to death on the focus of dragons.
Give us a Troll expansion, let the Aqir return in force and give us a true villain that actually requires coodination between two factions to defeat. Sorry, but having Tirion suddenly Ashbring the Lich King does not count as "the two factions working together." :/
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Apparently there was a prophecy that that says a single orc would one day rise up to challenge Deathwing and possibly defeat him.
/sigh
And my millenia old elf was born in Darnassus.
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I'm sick of Thrall being the bloodly hero for every sodding situation. ...QQ this, World Shaman that. C'mon! Why!? Why Thrall!?
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Why couldn't they defeat Deathwing with some clever trap, give the other leaders of the Horde some spotlight or the Alliance even! I mean hell, the Dwarves are meant to be good Dragon Hunters why aren't they doing much about this D;
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I've lost faith in Blizzard. I used to think the lore was well thought out and interesting. Lately it's not that cool. Bigger explosions, kill more powerful opponents. Walk with even mightier heroes. Each patch now reminds me of a cheesy 80s/90s action blockbuster sequel.
It's just not interesting. They have taken it too far. Saving the universe is obviously important but they are writing about things that nobody can relate to in any way. All you know is that there are going be bigger explosions and that the feel of the game will move further away from the original experience.
It's just not interesting. They have taken it too far. Saving the universe is obviously important but they are writing about things that nobody can relate to in any way. All you know is that there are going be bigger explosions and that the feel of the game will move further away from the original experience.
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The only part of the Cataclysm lore I've grown to like is the Night elf and Forsaken advancements. That's about it, everything else seems to vanilla-good and hero-action. I dunno, I want racial advancements, Not to just feel like I'm being -ignored- in someone elses story. ...Did Aggra kill any sodding elementals?
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