Server lore and whatnot

It won't be two months. As we have stated, repeatedly, we are acting it out in time with the flex raid unlocks.
And if it's not affecting you, why kick up a fuss in the first place?

/thread lock?

Raelan wrote:Also good to see you suddenly remember, Drustai.

I never "forgot". The point I was making before was that sure, we treated heroic kills as being the actual defeat in theory. But in practice, it was almost never reacted to until the end of the patch. Deathwing, for example, had a whole thread talking about treating his heroic demise as his actual demise. In practice, no one roleplayed his demise until the end of the patch.


Also, it may not be two months. That was my initial plan, but the rebellion RPers seem poised to wrap it up sooner. In order to synchronize with them, we may handle things differently. The main thing is keeping RP rolling for the duration of the patch.

Drustai wrote:

Raelan wrote:Also good to see you suddenly remember, Drustai.

I never "forgot". The point I was making before was that sure, we treated heroic kills as being the actual defeat in theory. But in practice, it was almost never reacted to until the end of the patch. Deathwing, for example, had a whole thread talking about treating his heroic demise as his actual demise. In practice, no one roleplayed his demise until the end of the patch.

That's likely because not everyone is synched. I'm sure some people RP'd before the patch was over. But it's near impossible to make EVERY roleplayer on the server roleplay the same thing.
Which your concept as well will do. There's probably going to be people who already claims Garrosh is dead, and those who claims it mid-patch and those at the end of the patch.


I think the concept of letting first Heroic Kill (or somesuch) decide when a big bad guy dies, is so that -everyone- has a path to follow. Everyone knows that "okay, this is where a lot of people will decide he's going to die, maybe I should tag along. Or not?"

However your own idea feels a little secluded and won't necessarily give off the same oppertunity to everyone. Instead of having a known deadline to ignore or go with, there's not a couple of Roleplayers who's decided when he'll die, which gives people who perhaps can't participate a different chance to take part in that. While the first Heroic Kill is something everyone can keep track off and aknowledge (or not).


And while I wasn't around for Illidan or Zul'Jin. I know Arthas was decided as first Heroic Kill.

Eitherway I think that sums Raelan's aggression a little better. This comes down to conviniency for the entire community, not the entire DefiasRP or whoever can attend your campaign-event. There'll be confusion, heck even First Heroic Kill leaves confusion, but in the end that's up to every individual roleplayer. All we can do is to choose the best path so that the most players will go the same way.

As far as I know, and people can correct me if I'm wrong, cause I may be. But I don't think that anyone that is actually playing the game anymore has complained about this?

Edit : As far as I've seen, nobody has said -this- is the way it has to be done, some people have simply taken steps forward to do something different, and plenty want to go along with it. I don't really understand why anyone thinks that is wrong per say? It might be different to the past, but Defias has changed, for better or worse is down to personal opinion, but the fact remains.

or not

This. So basically. Who. The. Heck. Cares. No one ideas will work 100% of time time. No one idea is perfect. None is the best. We can all decide on our own what to follow as said.

And some are following this. Get over it.

Why not a 2 week gap between a patch coming out and the end result unfolding? That's not a long wait and it caters to the not so active bunch. We also usually know a patch is coming out a week before (at the very least) so 3 weeks is plenty time to plan a big event!

Izaa wrote:However your own idea feels a little secluded and won't necessarily give off the same oppertunity to everyone. Instead of having a known deadline to ignore or go with, there's not a couple of Roleplayers who's decided when he'll die, which gives people who perhaps can't participate a different chance to take part in that. While the first Heroic Kill is something everyone can keep track off and aknowledge (or not).


And while I wasn't around for Illidan or Zul'Jin. I know Arthas was decided as first Heroic Kill.

This part. I wasn't around for Illidan or Zul'jin myself, but when a week or so after the ICC patch we suddenly were to RP the LK dead? It just felt... empty. Many of us didn't get a chance to participate in this event, because it occured too fast. And now we suddenly are going to miss out RP'ing Garrosh's fall after one day? If I had anything to say back then about Arthas demise, it would've been "Screw that!" and keep on RP'ing until we RP'ers brought him down. Because quite frankly, it is a VERY bad way to go for RP if we do NOT RP out everything possible, and just... let it go. What the hell does RP/PvE/P'ers think of us when we say "Garrosh is dead already, no need to go to Orgrimmar to camp it" and miss out a shitload of RP?

That is just a foolish attitude to have, and selfdestructive for the community.

We got a long wait ahead of us, might as well make the most of it.

Why ruin the experience for others, for your own selfish gain in this matter? It seems completely pointless. Garrosh can be defeated tomorrow, yesterday, patch day, during the dawn of the next expansion.
When a group decides it is reasonable for Them that he's fallen, he's fallen. But only to them, and they have to be careful with that. If the party they counter does not consider him fallen, they need to have something prepared so that they do not step on toes.

Therefor, be very wary of claiming Garrosh has been defeated and praise the sun.
In the end, RP is about respecting each others space, as much as we love not to.

We got a long wait ahead of us, might as well make the most of it.

Why ruin the experience for others, for your own selfish gain in this matter? It seems completely pointless. Garrosh can be defeated tomorrow, yesterday, patch day, during the dawn of the next expansion.
When a group decides it is reasonable for Them that he's fallen, he's fallen. But only to them, and they have to be careful with that. If the party they counter does not consider him fallen, they need to have something prepared so that they do not step on toes.

Therefor, be very wary of claiming Garrosh has been defeated and praise the sun.
In the end, RP is about respecting each others space, as much as we love not to.

+1

You know, you don't get to decide these things for the entire role-playing community. Only for those you directly play with.

I see no problems with some players treating Garrosh as already IC dead and another group of players still fighting the good fight and yet another group claiming to actually have slayed the beast. It's a dangerous illusion to believe that everybody's role-play needs to be perfectly synced up to a standardized schedule.

Be flexible.

I think it is more odd about half the characters on the server are apparently under the impression Garrosh is dead even though he's very much alive and going to stand on trial :p

Emrys wrote:I think it is more odd about half the characters on the server are apparently under the impression Garrosh is dead even though he's very much alive and going to stand on trial :p

I don't think that's odd at all.

I don't know why everyone is acting like this is something that was rushed. Everyone knew the Garrosh patch would be out in September at the start of last month!

And we have been preparing for it!

Cos RPers love to fight. The only true way is my way (or for RPers with basic social skills, My friends and I).

The irony is cooperation is a vital part of RP XD.

Whatever happened to simply RP'ing it in your own time and if confusion or crossed-dates pop up, avoid it and talk about/RP something else?

Really quite the pointless thread over something so silly as inevitable differences of opinion.

May as well ask a dog and cat if a meow is better than a bark.

Krogon Devilstep wrote:May as well ask a dog and cat if a meow is better than a bark.

Mewing, clearly.

erwtenpeller wrote:

Krogon Devilstep wrote:May as well ask a dog and cat if a meow is better than a bark.

Mewing, clearly.

I though everyone knew that.

Clearly you're both barking up the wrong tree.