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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Rmuffn Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:24 pm
More like next year.. I'll guess April the first, again.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Arabella Greene Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:02 pm
I cannot wait! 
Ps: Eowale, love the picture ^_^
Ps: Eowale, love the picture ^_^
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Ron Sexton Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:05 am
Myeah, most likely next year.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Nithel Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:49 am
They confirmed Season 3 to start in spring 2013.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Velynia Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:15 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6VMSYIXCCY&feature=player_embedded#!
Not how I imagined it, but still a damn good rendition.
Not how I imagined it, but still a damn good rendition.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Vaell Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:20 pm
It needs to be burly and sung in a more drinking manner, like this...Velynia wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6VMSYIXCCY&feature=player_embedded#!
Not how I imagined it, but still a damn good rendition.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Velynia Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:19 am
Finally finished Dance with Dragons!
Thoughts:
Storm:
Thoughts:
- Spoiler:
- Jon should die. He was making some really shit decisions, taking orders from Stannis and his wife who he doesn't even pay attention to any more, letting through wildlings who he can't feed. Sure, they can man the abandoned forts, but not for long, they'll starve soon. The Night's Watch barely has enough food for its own, let alone thousands of wildlings. And while I like the Free Folk - Some of them are going to desert. Perhaps entire forts. Jon was too young for the post, overall.
His choice about going to Winterfell with the wildlings to kill Bolton was... What the fuck, Jon? You're scared of popping down to Mole Towns Brothel when you're some lowly steward, but you're totally fine with marching to Winterfell and attempting to kill the Warden of the North's son, sociopath as he may be, when you are Lord Commander no less!
Let him stay dead. I liked Jon, but his decisions were going to lead the watch into ruin. Though it is possible he will be resurrected by Melisandre as Thoros did to Beric Dondarrion.
Dany, don't get raped by Dothraki. AND GO TO WESTEROS ALREADY.
I'm betting "Aegon" is a fake. The closest he can be is being a Blackfyre.
Stannis and Bolton is interesting. No idea who's going to win, nor which side to cheer for, as I like both Stannis and Roose. Ramsay is a complete sociopath, but to the point where he's stupid. Roose is a lot smarter, though he does seem to have no plans for House Bolton after he dies. Let the North go to Ramsay? That won't go well. Sure, people say if he has another trueborn son, Ramsay will just kill him. Surely Roose could fabricate some claims and imprison Ramsay. He's a nutter who's going to lead House Bolton to ruin.
Storm:
- Spoiler:
- If the Red Wedding scene isn't perfect, I will be extremely angry. I also feel like the only person who likes Walder Frey. -Ever-. And moreso after the Red Wedding.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Amaryl Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:39 am
Velynia wrote:Finally finished Dance with Dragons!
Thoughts:
- Spoiler:
His choice about going to Winterfell with the wildlings to kill Bolton was... What the fuck, Jon? You're scared of popping down to Mole Towns Brothel when you're some lowly steward, but you're totally fine with marching to Winterfell and attempting to kill the Warden of the North's son, sociopath as he may be, when you are Lord Commander no less!
Let him stay dead. I liked Jon, but his decisions were going to lead the watch into ruin. Though it is possible he will be resurrected by Melisandre as Thoros did to Beric Dondarrion.
Dany, don't get raped by Dothraki. AND GO TO WESTEROS ALREADY.
I'm betting "Aegon" is a fake. The closest he can be is being a Blackfyre.
Stannis and Bolton is interesting. No idea who's going to win, nor which side to cheer for, as I like both Stannis and Roose. Ramsay is a complete sociopath, but to the point where he's stupid. Roose is a lot smarter, though he does seem to have no plans for House Bolton after he dies. Let the North go to Ramsay? That won't go well. Sure, people say if he has another trueborn son, Ramsay will just kill him. Surely Roose could fabricate some claims and imprison Ramsay. He's a nutter who's going to lead House Bolton to ruin.
- "Dance":
- Well, if Roose kills ramsay, there won't be a house bolton.. there's a reason he legitimised the bastard, he has no other sons.
Don't forget mellisandre's vision about jon, Man->Wolf->man
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Velynia Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:27 am
Amaryl wrote:Velynia wrote:Finally finished Dance with Dragons!
Thoughts:
- Spoiler:
His choice about going to Winterfell with the wildlings to kill Bolton was... What the fuck, Jon? You're scared of popping down to Mole Towns Brothel when you're some lowly steward, but you're totally fine with marching to Winterfell and attempting to kill the Warden of the North's son, sociopath as he may be, when you are Lord Commander no less!
Let him stay dead. I liked Jon, but his decisions were going to lead the watch into ruin. Though it is possible he will be resurrected by Melisandre as Thoros did to Beric Dondarrion.
Dany, don't get raped by Dothraki. AND GO TO WESTEROS ALREADY.
I'm betting "Aegon" is a fake. The closest he can be is being a Blackfyre.
Stannis and Bolton is interesting. No idea who's going to win, nor which side to cheer for, as I like both Stannis and Roose. Ramsay is a complete sociopath, but to the point where he's stupid. Roose is a lot smarter, though he does seem to have no plans for House Bolton after he dies. Let the North go to Ramsay? That won't go well. Sure, people say if he has another trueborn son, Ramsay will just kill him. Surely Roose could fabricate some claims and imprison Ramsay. He's a nutter who's going to lead House Bolton to ruin.
- "Dance":
Don't forget mellisandre's vision about jon, Man->Wolf->man
[Dancespoiler][Dance/spoiler]
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Velynia Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:29 am
[quote="Velynia"]
Amaryl wrote:Velynia wrote:Finally finished Dance with Dragons!
Thoughts:
- Spoiler:
His choice about going to Winterfell with the wildlings to kill Bolton was... What the fuck, Jon? You're scared of popping down to Mole Towns Brothel when you're some lowly steward, but you're totally fine with marching to Winterfell and attempting to kill the Warden of the North's son, sociopath as he may be, when you are Lord Commander no less!
Let him stay dead. I liked Jon, but his decisions were going to lead the watch into ruin. Though it is possible he will be resurrected by Melisandre as Thoros did to Beric Dondarrion.
Dany, don't get raped by Dothraki. AND GO TO WESTEROS ALREADY.
I'm betting "Aegon" is a fake. The closest he can be is being a Blackfyre.
Stannis and Bolton is interesting. No idea who's going to win, nor which side to cheer for, as I like both Stannis and Roose. Ramsay is a complete sociopath, but to the point where he's stupid. Roose is a lot smarter, though he does seem to have no plans for House Bolton after he dies. Let the North go to Ramsay? That won't go well. Sure, people say if he has another trueborn son, Ramsay will just kill him. Surely Roose could fabricate some claims and imprison Ramsay. He's a nutter who's going to lead House Bolton to ruin.
- "Dance":
Don't forget mellisandre's vision about jon, Man->Wolf->man
- "Dance":
- I was suggesting he get rid of Ramsay and get another heir. Hopefully a less psychotic one. Well, as 'Non-psychotic' as a Bolton can get. I'm not sure why he bothered getting Ramsay legitimised. He's completely insane. The North will go to shit if he inherits it from Roose.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Muzjhath Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:11 pm
Velynia wrote:Finally finished Dance with Dragons!
Thoughts:
- Spoiler:
His choice about going to Winterfell with the wildlings to kill Bolton was... What the fuck, Jon? You're scared of popping down to Mole Towns Brothel when you're some lowly steward, but you're totally fine with marching to Winterfell and attempting to kill the Warden of the North's son, sociopath as he may be, when you are Lord Commander no less!
Let him stay dead. I liked Jon, but his decisions were going to lead the watch into ruin. Though it is possible he will be resurrected by Melisandre as Thoros did to Beric Dondarrion.
Dany, don't get raped by Dothraki. AND GO TO WESTEROS ALREADY.
I'm betting "Aegon" is a fake. The closest he can be is being a Blackfyre.
Stannis and Bolton is interesting. No idea who's going to win, nor which side to cheer for, as I like both Stannis and Roose. Ramsay is a complete sociopath, but to the point where he's stupid. Roose is a lot smarter, though he does seem to have no plans for House Bolton after he dies. Let the North go to Ramsay? That won't go well. Sure, people say if he has another trueborn son, Ramsay will just kill him. Surely Roose could fabricate some claims and imprison Ramsay. He's a nutter who's going to lead House Bolton to ruin.
- Dance:
- Tbh, I'd say many things Jon do are, considering the dire situation, smart. That is, taking the free-folk south of the wall.
Even if they desert, because south of the wall, they'll raise havok yes. But it's very doubtful that they'll turn and help the Others in death. So even IF they desert it is the safer option.
He was also very aware of the food shortage, thus he made the deal with the Bravosi.
For th whole obeying Stannis things. Stannis was in the position of power. His knights outnumbered the Nights Watch quite a bit, and were better geared (for fighting if not for the weather). In a position like that you listen, and he did only follow the orders Stannis gave that he couldn't avoid at all and tried to sa no as much as he could.
As for Stannis wife, can't remember Jon doing all that much as she wanted. He generally just tried to keep her happy.
As for the last, going south at the end. It is him being very human. He abandoned the wall when Rob went to war, but was brought back. So we know that he still holds his family close. Then he hears that Arya, his closest relative in how they acted around each other (say what you want about Rob but this is the feel I always got). Well, Arya in the hands of the Boltons, spec. the madman he's heard about.
He shows his very human sides, wanting to save his blood family. And knowing the other Nights watch can't do it, he does what he can.
The problem I see with all that Jon did, was that he was one of the very few pragmatic people on the wall. He realied that the Nights Watch couldn't hold it alone. Couldn't hold it with Stannis had Stannis stayed at the wall. They needed MORE manpower. The freefolk gave that.
And many of the freefolk I feel want to fight the Others, just that behind the wall they couldn't. And I'd say we've encountered more honourable freefolk than honouable southerns.
As for the Bolton inheritance issue. Roose legitimized Ramsey soley for the purpose of him marrying "Arya" Stark, and getting a stark child for Winterfel. He knows that most of the north won't follow "Bolton" but they will follow "Stark" even if it's only in name and in blood. Even if it's whispered that it's not Stark.
So Roose is being smart about that. I'm also certain that he's trying to get a son on Fat Walda. And once he has a new Heir off his own, and Ramsey has a son on "Arya" he'd have Ramsey meet with an "accident".
Thus it all would be safe. We've seen that Ramsey is scared of Roose in how easily Roose dominates him.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Velynia Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:27 pm
Muzjhath wrote:Velynia wrote:Finally finished Dance with Dragons!
Thoughts:
- Spoiler:
His choice about going to Winterfell with the wildlings to kill Bolton was... What the fuck, Jon? You're scared of popping down to Mole Towns Brothel when you're some lowly steward, but you're totally fine with marching to Winterfell and attempting to kill the Warden of the North's son, sociopath as he may be, when you are Lord Commander no less!
Let him stay dead. I liked Jon, but his decisions were going to lead the watch into ruin. Though it is possible he will be resurrected by Melisandre as Thoros did to Beric Dondarrion.
Dany, don't get raped by Dothraki. AND GO TO WESTEROS ALREADY.
I'm betting "Aegon" is a fake. The closest he can be is being a Blackfyre.
Stannis and Bolton is interesting. No idea who's going to win, nor which side to cheer for, as I like both Stannis and Roose. Ramsay is a complete sociopath, but to the point where he's stupid. Roose is a lot smarter, though he does seem to have no plans for House Bolton after he dies. Let the North go to Ramsay? That won't go well. Sure, people say if he has another trueborn son, Ramsay will just kill him. Surely Roose could fabricate some claims and imprison Ramsay. He's a nutter who's going to lead House Bolton to ruin.
- Dance:
Even if they desert, because south of the wall, they'll raise havok yes. But it's very doubtful that they'll turn and help the Others in death. So even IF they desert it is the safer option.
He was also very aware of the food shortage, thus he made the deal with the Bravosi.
For th whole obeying Stannis things. Stannis was in the position of power. His knights outnumbered the Nights Watch quite a bit, and were better geared (for fighting if not for the weather). In a position like that you listen, and he did only follow the orders Stannis gave that he couldn't avoid at all and tried to sa no as much as he could.
As for Stannis wife, can't remember Jon doing all that much as she wanted. He generally just tried to keep her happy.
As for the last, going south at the end. It is him being very human. He abandoned the wall when Rob went to war, but was brought back. So we know that he still holds his family close. Then he hears that Arya, his closest relative in how they acted around each other (say what you want about Rob but this is the feel I always got). Well, Arya in the hands of the Boltons, spec. the madman he's heard about.
He shows his very human sides, wanting to save his blood family. And knowing the other Nights watch can't do it, he does what he can.
The problem I see with all that Jon did, was that he was one of the very few pragmatic people on the wall. He realied that the Nights Watch couldn't hold it alone. Couldn't hold it with Stannis had Stannis stayed at the wall. They needed MORE manpower. The freefolk gave that.
And many of the freefolk I feel want to fight the Others, just that behind the wall they couldn't. And I'd say we've encountered more honourable freefolk than honouable southerns.
As for the Bolton inheritance issue. Roose legitimized Ramsey soley for the purpose of him marrying "Arya" Stark, and getting a stark child for Winterfel. He knows that most of the north won't follow "Bolton" but they will follow "Stark" even if it's only in name and in blood. Even if it's whispered that it's not Stark.
So Roose is being smart about that. I'm also certain that he's trying to get a son on Fat Walda. And once he has a new Heir off his own, and Ramsey has a son on "Arya" he'd have Ramsey meet with an "accident".
Thus it all would be safe. We've seen that Ramsey is scared of Roose in how easily Roose dominates him.
- Dance:
- You make good points, really. The deal with the Bravosi will come back to bite him in the arse, I know it, however.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Muzjhath Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:44 pm
- Dance:
- Saying some of his other deals hasn't come back to bite him in the arse already? Or well, chest... Repeatedly.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Amaryl Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:03 pm
- "Dance":
- Its not like Roose is a friendly lovable guy either.. the sigil of house Roose is a Flayed man. He's keep is called the Dreadfort. He flays his enemies, ruthelessly. the only thing is, he isn't psychotic like Ramsey. And still. The biggest theme in aSoIaF, where most of the irrational actions happen, is family. He might be a bastard, but he's still Roose's son.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Shaelyssa Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:33 am
Melnerag wrote:To clarify some lore:
'White Walkers' are an ancient evil race that sleeps beneath the Ice, and they are NOT undead. They are also called 'The Others'. Mellisandre likes to say 'What gods? There is only the Lord of Light and the Great Other'
White Walkers have the ability to raise the dead, making them into 'Wights'. So what you saw there weren't the white walkers, but Wighs. White Walkers are seen in prelude to Season 1 episode 1.
Aaah this does help to clarify a lot actually :D thanks
But what about the guy on the horse (omg that zombie horse was so freaking cool)? Isn't he a whitewalker?
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Velynia Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:46 am
The fellows who look like this:
They're White Walkers.
The fellows who look like this:
They're wights.
Mhm, the guy on the Horse was an Other.
- Spoiler:
They're White Walkers.
The fellows who look like this:
- Spoiler:
They're wights.
Mhm, the guy on the Horse was an Other.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Xen-tau Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:28 pm
For those interested... The new cast that will be joining the ones alive.
http://winteriscoming.net/2012/07/season-three-casting-announced/
http://winteriscoming.net/2012/07/season-three-casting-announced/
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Lorainne/Bridlington Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:43 pm
Looks like a solid cast.
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Velynia Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:15 pm
Still no Ramsay, and a strange lack of Mance Rayder. Though I do like their choice for Tormund, Selyse, Qyburn and Beric. A tad unsure on Paul Kaye for Thoros, however...
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Kittrina Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:17 pm
Jojen and Meera, though, at last was worried they'd just been written out
was worried they'd just been written out
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Chase - Esou Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:00 pm
Mackenzie Crook!!!!!11111
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Dolerien Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:26 pm
I have and always will back
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- Stannis. He's just an utter tank of law and order, and while he may take it to the extreme, he sticks to his guns, no matter how outnumbered he is or downheartened his troops are. Stannis
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Re: The Song of Ice and Fire - George R.R. Martin
by Nithel Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:59 pm
Slowly reading this mastodon of a series and I'm now at book four. So far I do love the setting of the world and the rich characters! Writing is imo nothing special but his characters and plots are so fantastic I could scream! Most of the plot twists I didn't see coming.
Is it just me btw or does the writer enjoy toying with little hints that aren't immediately solved? I'll give some examples in the spoilers:
It's a shame that Dorne / House Martell isn't more in the books. I've heard that they'll be more present now in the fourth one but I love their culture and the characters!
Is it just me btw or does the writer enjoy toying with little hints that aren't immediately solved? I'll give some examples in the spoilers:
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- There's this entire mystery around what happened between Lyanna and Rhaegar: the promise Ned had to make to her, the visions of Rhaegar announcing that a dragon should always have three heads etc!
It's a shame that Dorne / House Martell isn't more in the books. I've heard that they'll be more present now in the fourth one but I love their culture and the characters!
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