Re: Warlords of Draenor - General Discussion

by **Sanara** Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:56 pm

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"Velen, Garrosh has escaped! Recruit a team of teenagers with attitude!"

Finally, an in-canon explanation for the Crystalforge Pink Ranger set.

by **Cid** Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:10 am

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Fact: Nerfing Charge is bad, the link provides arguments for it all.

by **Ralegh** Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:29 am

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Fact: Nerfing Charge is bad, the link provides arguments for it all.

No.
Not fact.
Opinion.
There are no facts represented in the link, only somebodies opinion.

by **siegmund** Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:10 am

Here we go again.

Here is my opinion on the matter:

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by **erwtenpeller** Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:16 am

I'm with Siegmund on this one.

by **Helmut** Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:29 am

I think that the warrior class is just PERFECT. Nothing needs to change and everyone is happy Very Happy

by **Rmuffn** Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:02 am

No one's ever happy. Razz

by **Coppersocket** Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:04 am

Cid wrote:Fact

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by **Haen Strongwind** Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:23 pm

Limmy is both beautiful and creepy. Alpha/beta client is/was available on battle.net. 28 gigs. People who downloaded it could only be taken to the alpha log in screen. December is a far shot.

by **Lavian** Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:02 pm

Cid wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Fact: Nerfing Charge is bad, the link provides arguments for it all.

1: Opinions

2: "Posted 03 February 2014 - 07:29 PM" - Well before the alpha notes were announced.

EDIT: Also while those changes pointed out in the post were ultimately reverted it was also stated why which you should take into consideration. Right now such a change didn't work in the current meta system of the game tied up with everything. However it may(I use "may" as anything can happen between now and WoD) find it's place within the new system of things. I mean for example there could be the possibility that druid shift forms may not break roots in WoD or under certain conditions like a specific spec or an increased cooldown to doing such. I'm just pulling that out of my ass but I assume you may see the point I am trying to make. It's in regards to this blue post, also mentioned in that link:

"We're reverting it because, although we do think it's a good change and something we're likely to revisit in the future, it's a bit too big of an overall change for 5.4.7. There's a bit of a ripple effect here; making Charge a root certainly accomplishes the goal of scaling back Warrior interrupts, but it opens up some secondary issues (such as "what happens when you Charge a target with Hand of Freedom active?") that we'd need some additional time to clear up. Put another way, we wanted to nerf Warriors' ability to disrupt casters, not their mobility, and at this point in time the Charge change would have been a nerf to both.

We may still come back to the Charge change in Warlords, where all sorts of other changes will have happened (especially to CC) that allow it to make more sense, and we can spend more development and testing time on making sure it doesn't have any unwanted side effects. For now, the shared cooldown on Pummel and Disrupting Shout will fill our original intention of making Warriors just slightly less difficult to cast against."

Also this Braindance guy seems to get shot down and makes an ass out of himself as a result. AJ isnt what it use to be. Sad

by **Ixirar** Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:05 pm

Clara Dawson wrote:
Cid wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Fact: Nerfing Charge is bad, the link provides arguments for it all.

1: Opinions

2: "Posted 03 February 2014 - 07:29 PM" - Well before the alpha notes were announced.

3: A 1 time gladiator on QQing in arena junkies isn't a reliable source for "facts"

by **Samian/Bismack** Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:43 pm

The charge change is lazy and retarded, if they're gonna make you talent it to stun I can make an expansion aswell:
Deathgrip doesnt pull only taunts unless talented
Disengage doesnt bounce back unless talented
etc

by **Sanara** Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:28 pm

Samian/Bismack wrote:The charge change is lazy and retarded, if they're gonna make you talent it to stun I can make an expansion aswell:
Deathgrip doesnt pull only taunts unless talented
Disengage doesnt bounce back unless talented
etc

Faulty logic, as threat management ISN'T the primary usage of Death Grip and Disengage. The primary use of Death Grip is, like Charge, to reach your target, and for Disengage, to escape it. Warriors could still reach their targets just fine with Charge even if it didn't have a root or a stun.

If you think the stun is the primary purpose of Charge, Blizzard obviously doesn't agree with you, as the change is specifically meant to cut down on hard CC.

by **Cid** Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:04 pm

Except that they've tried the Charge-change before, it DIDN'T work because it failed HORRIBLY and had to be changed back to actually work again, as presented in the argument. That alone makes it a fact. Trying the same "change" again is foolishness. "Only 1x gladiator"? What has that to do with anything? S/He's got the title, s/he got the ranking, s/he got a well thoughtout opinion about Warriors and their abilities. Belittling that just shows that you're reacting to this one thing: This gladiator and I think the same about Warriors, without me having either rank or title.

Just admit that I've got a point in what I'm saying, it is backed up by a Gladiator PvP'er and it is well argumented without being a cockfight. Changing Charge is BAD, end of story.

by **Krogon Devilstep** Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:05 pm

I play a warrior. you have no point.

Sorted.

by **Lavian** Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:26 pm

Belittling that just shows that you're reacting to this one thing: This gladiator and I think the same about Warriors, without me having either rank or title.

Except I had the title and rank too. :)Also this guy is a season 1 gladiator from back in TBC when the game was oh so very much different from back then and now(Not to forget the very concept of arena was new then). Whats the difference from me being a former "Gladiator PVPer"(Season 6) and him being a former one? Gladiator isn't as big as a deal as you think it is. It isn't a mighty pedestal as you seem to paint the title.

You're basing your "facts" off of this one guy and praising him too highly. Stop it.

EDIT: Im tempted to post on that linked thread just to give you a personal greeting, Cid.

by **Ixirar** Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:29 pm

I play a druid. In WOD, Cyclone will be dispellable and I won't be able to instant cast it with Nature's Swiftness anymore.

I play a mage. In WOD, my counterspell won't silence my target anymore, and I won't be able to instant cast Polymorph with presence of mind.

I play a monk. In WOD, pretty much every CC/peel I have will be nerfed. Fists of fury will only stun once. Ring of Peace will only mesmerise once.

I play a warrior. In WOD, I need to pick a talent or my charge won't stun my target anymore.

Wow, yeah, warriors really have it bad. Shit.

by **Krogon Devilstep** Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:30 pm

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:I play a druid. In WOD, Cyclone will be dispellable and I won't be able to instant cast it with Nature's Swiftness anymore.

I play a mage. In WOD, my counterspell won't silence my target anymore, and I won't be able to instant cast Polymorph with presence of mind.

I play a monk. In WOD, pretty much every CC/peel I have will be nerfed. Fists of fury will only stun once. Ring of Peace will only mesmerise once.

I play a warrior. In WOD, I need to pick a talent or my charge won't stun my target anymore.

Wow, yeah, warriors really have it bad. Shit.

If I could high five you... What a Face

by **Helmut** Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:35 pm

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:I play a druid. In WOD, Cyclone will be dispellable and I won't be able to instant cast it with Nature's Swiftness anymore.

I play a mage. In WOD, my counterspell won't silence my target anymore, and I won't be able to instant cast Polymorph with presence of mind.

I play a monk. In WOD, pretty much every CC/peel I have will be nerfed. Fists of fury will only stun once. Ring of Peace will only mesmerise once.

I play a warrior. In WOD, I need to pick a talent or my charge won't stun my target anymore.

Wow, yeah, warriors really have it bad. Shit.

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Also: This takes me way back. Does anyone remeber this old gem. One of the reasons I started playing a Rogue. Only in the first dialog, we change the word "rogue" to "warrior".

by **Lavian** Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:38 pm

Ixirar/Kavalis wrote:I play a druid. In WOD, Cyclone will be dispellable and I won't be able to instant cast it with Nature's Swiftness anymore.

I play a mage. In WOD, my counterspell won't silence my target anymore, and I won't be able to instant cast Polymorph with presence of mind.

I play a monk. In WOD, pretty much every CC/peel I have will be nerfed. Fists of fury will only stun once. Ring of Peace will only mesmerise once.

I play a warrior. In WOD, I need to pick a talent or my charge won't stun my target anymore.

Wow, yeah, warriors really have it bad. Shit.

Also, this.

by **Adry** Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:47 pm

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guys this hunter nerf is too strong buff pls

by **Lexgrad** Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:12 pm

I am so glad I have ESO now <3

by **Vaell** Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:27 pm

Lexgrad wrote:I am so glad I have ESO now <3

"Hey guys, your mums bought you that Batman toy? Pfft, my mum is c-c-cooler. She bought me an Aquaman toy. Aquaman beats Batman. Hey guys... Guys... Aquaman can talk to fish... Guys? Batman doesn't even have superpowers! ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME? I HAVE AQUAMAN, HE'S COOLER. FUCK."

by **Helmut** Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:34 pm

Vaell wrote:
Lexgrad wrote:I am so glad I have ESO now <3

"Hey guys, your mums bought you that Batman toy? Pfft, my mum is c-c-cooler. She bought me an Aquaman toy. Aquaman beats Batman. Hey guys... Guys... Aquaman can talk to fish... Guys? Batman doesn't even have superpowers! ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME? I HAVE AQUAMAN, HE'S COOLER. FUCK."

Not at all related to topic:

by **Sanara** Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:42 pm

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guys this hunter nerf is too strong buff pls

So, we finally get to be The Predator, firing while cloaked?

Awesome.

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