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Post by Melnerag Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:02 pm

[This scroll is available in Stormwind Kingdom, but may have spread further. It is published in relatively few numbers under a pseudonym, but it remains to be seen just how loyal the publisher is to secrecy.]

Manual of Monsters : Death Knights

Dear reader,

If you have picked up this scroll by accident, I beseech you to put it down and return to your life while you still can have a normal life. Do not let what you read herein encourage you to take a path full of risk, danger and loss. On the other hand, if you have sought this out with intent then I wish you luck on your hunts and may whatever deities you worship aid you in your task.

This scroll will deal with the Death Knights of the the Third Generation, their strengths and weaknesses, their tricks and tactics and how to combat them. The scroll is meant for those who cannot rely on Light or Magic.


Introduction:

Death Knight arms and magic:

Death Knight tactics:

Preparing to fight the Death Knight:

Fighting the Death Knight:

Afterword:


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Post by erwtenpeller Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:22 pm

Awesome.
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Post by Lexgrad Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:47 pm

Generations are player made to explain DKs to idiots ooc.  It is not an ic term. Other than that... naice.


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Post by siegmund Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:49 pm

erwtenpeller wrote:Awesome.

Should serve a lot of people well IC wise.

And lex who says people IC couldn't make the terms up?
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Post by erwtenpeller Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:49 pm

It is now!
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Post by Lexgrad Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:52 pm

No.
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Post by Lavian Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:44 pm

Lexgrad wrote:Generations are player made to explain DKs to idiots ooc.  It is not an ic term.  Other than that... naice.

Don't see why Generations can't be used ICly. It's pretty simple to explain and I see nothing against using it ICly to explain your character's history a bit. Lavian herself is second generation.

Anyway. Havn't read the OP thread and will do now.
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Post by Littlepip Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:31 am

Fourth generation go! (Those resurrected by other Death Knights or liches.)
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Post by Lavian Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:28 am

Thorvald wrote:Fourth generation go! (Those resurrected by other Death Knights or liches.)

Still not exactly sure how that works. Havn't looked into it but I am beyond and sure they would be very weak if thats even possible. We were taught by arthas, we were taught the runic system by the vrykuls. Nothing a "fourth" generation should even comprehend if they indeed even existed.
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Post by Dorothee/Duvaineth Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:07 am

[[ Really nice post. Im gonna link it to my guilds forums as summary to RP  DKs strengths and weaknesses.

Ic my toon  describes the diff types of DKs this way. ( in order 2nd 3rd and 4th generations )

Vowed to The Lick King Nel' Thuzad, or later on created by the Lich King known as Arthas to the living. Capable of fighting with only their specific runeblade.

Created in the Acherus and can make and fight with more than one runeblade.

Untrained weakling excuse of a deathknight created post fall of the Lich King.]]


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Post by Dorothee/Duvaineth Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:17 am

Thorvald wrote:Fourth generation go! (Those resurrected by other Death Knights or liches.)

During arthas reign necromancers and liches raised fallen heroes into Death Knights. Some Death Knights may of created other Deathknights also by giving them a blade of a fallen scourge DK comrade. Dosnt make them 4th if they were raised durring the period Dks had no free will and fought for Arthas.

4th is specifically Post LK fall created. These Dks didnt fight for the scourge under arthas command. Nor do they have the training of Dks of the scourge.
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Post by Drustai Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:34 am

Please no more DK lore debates. Keep this thread's focus on the IC writing.
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Post by Jeanpierre Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:18 am

I think it's an interesting work, and certainly is a nice way to bring tons of OOC knowledge into the IC realm. But I did wonder a couple of times about points made throughout the text and the general "feel" of it.

The text is for people "without access to the Light", but at the same time any reference to the use of holy powers or Light infused powers portrays its effectiveness as.. stunted?
- "Saronite is resistant to Nature magic and the Holy Light"
- For the weapons you mention weapons coated in holy water, but you revel the use of poisons and discourage any form of melee combat.
- "Holy water can be used to stun the DK for a short time, effective only as distraction".

It feels as if there's no consistent line. You mention it is good to coat weapons in something as flimsy as holy water, but then the actual holy water itself can serve only to stun the DK. On one hand, holy powers are displayed as an effective means (the a whole scroll is to help those without Light) but then they also get a natural resistance to holy powers from the armor.
If a weapon is coated with holy powers, doesn't the holy resistance of the armor (the only resistance that doesn't exist in the world AFAIK) give extra protection?

Either way, while I don't mean to degrade the depth of DK RP, I feel the text breaks down handling DK's to an extremely technically delicate matter... far more than is required for a good RP encounter. I read this text and I read a source of OOC confusion rather than a source of IC clarity. I can see disputes arise like
- "This weapon isn't effective against me!"
- "But it's coated with this poison!" Or "that holy spell!"
- "Great.. suddenly everyone has these powers!" -> well yes, it's now out in the open.
Simultanously, the notion of holy resistance from saronite armor decreases the value of Light powers, only increasing the need and dependency on this IC information to tackle DKs. So it might encourage DK RP'ers to consider Light as something "they'll resist". (And Lighties shouldn't be blasting Light like they're super sayans)

What I fear from a text like this is that any combat is going to turn out to whom knows the Lore best and whom is running around "prepared". I find it inspires far too much a logic like "this guy wins because X", rather than letting the story decide... and I don't see it encourage "better" roleplay in random encounters.
It's a great compendium, no doubt there. ICly I think it's entirely justified... But it seems laden with an OOC view on the way a DK works. That still makes it an interesting read but I'm a bit confused about the purpose of the text.
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Post by erwtenpeller Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:19 am

JP. Pls.
Drustai wrote:Please no more DK lore debates. Keep this thread's focus on the IC writing.
If your character doesn't like what they see, write an in-character rebuttal or critical piece.
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Post by Jeanpierre Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:22 am

It as an OOC argument about the IC structure. Hm. Very well. My apologies.
Unfortunately, I'll prefer to consider it unavailable ICly for my characters for the reasons stated above.
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Post by Melnerag Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:42 am

@JP

This text is IC, so there are some clear IC mistakes there.

Melee is indeed discouraged, but the author still provides some tips in case you want to go melee.

Then there is some different logic there. Stabbing a DK with a weapon coated in holy water delivers that holy water into his body, which is different on many levels from splashing water over his armour and letting it drip on the skin. Of course some DKs will emote collapsing and agonizing after being splashed with some water and others will RP not feeling a thing if you inject HW into their heart. Also, stabbing through armour and delivering Holy Water into the flesh obviously bypasses the armour (since you just either penetrated it or found a way around it)

Holy Powers are not just light-lasers. Priests&paladins can self-empower, self-heal and cleanse poisons/diseases that allows them to match a DK in a 'fair fight'. Just because you can't scathe the DK with Exorcise doesn't mean all your divine potential is wasted, there is a lot you can do.

There is also a reason this is IC rather than OOC. An OOC guide can give rise to confusion. "But The Lorefiend claims that X works!". This is IC. This can be wrong. The author killed a few DKs, but may be those were weak wimps and what worked on them won't work on others.

I imagine the encounter to go something like this:

*Good Guy uses a trick on DK, DK resists*
"But...but that was supposed to work!"
"Foolish mortal, I am in an entirely different league of power! Now you die!"


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Post by Jeanpierre Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:52 am

Ahh.. Now that does clarify the stance of the text a lot. I entirely agree with the justifications "ICly". I was, apparently, misunderstanding a potential OOC undertone. It's true that if you consider the possibility of erroneous information, this work can very well inspire situations in RP.

But I guess this goes for anything we can read as such: use it to help flavour RP, not define it.
Thanks for the clarification Mel.
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Post by siegmund Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:20 am

As well as anyone using this IC wise can add his own IC notes depending if he has clashed with some or least encoruage people to do so.
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Post by erwtenpeller Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:23 am

* A bloodied note appears next to the manual, a last minute addition, shakily written. *

"The manual... It did nothing...... AARRRGGGGHHH-- "
- Lord Hunt von Hunterson, Witch Hunter.


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Post by Lexgrad Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:59 pm

Yeah I read it as like one of the good natured military guides that tells you how you can take out a tiger tank with a stick and some honey. Just IC Very Happy

Lexys IC advise would be run and find a paladin XD
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Post by Seranita Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:16 pm

*mutters.. having spent a few days in the library of stormwind specifically in the undead and death sections she stumbles across the scroll.. she reads the title before peering around she slips it into her bag and continues searching for books regarding Deathknights*

((ps i would love an actual ghi item of this scroll Razz ))
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Post by Thondalar Stormleaf Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:25 am

(I can make it for you Monnie <3 )
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Post by Littlepip Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:13 am

Emily wrote:*Finds a scroll laying next to a corpse in the newly conquered Slugsworks, she picks it up and quickly reads trough it.*
"Guess it didn't help him much."
*Throws the scroll to Richard who quickly devours it and runs of like a little undead girl.*
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