Sylvanas versus Greymane?

http://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=96092
Decree of the Dark Lady Level 85
100 yd range
Instant
Increases mastery rating by 225 and Stamina by 300 for 1 hour. Counts as both a Battle and Guardian elixir. This effect persists through death.

http://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=96161
Greymane's Resolve
Increases mastery rating by 225 and Stamina by 300 for 1 hour. Counts as both a Battle and Guardian elixir. This effect persists through death.


This may be a continuation of the Gilneas storyline however much I doubt it, but the Hallows End event is apparantly being heavily revamped to focus on Forsaken versus Worgen (which makes sense since Southshore went down the pancrack).

Also, this:



And what happened the last time that a Hallow's End mask was datamined?

The Forsaken will win the siege.

Blizzard will not make a murloc race playable. They really cannot contribute to either side also they wouldn't put in the data this early before the new expansion.

As for the spells I think that is either a raid buff, a Battle for the Undercity type buff or maybe a quest reward buff.

Anaei/Vezullia wrote:Blizzard will not make a murloc race playable. They really cannot contribute to either side also they wouldn't put in the data this early before the new expansion.

The Worgen masks also came out months prior to BlizzCon. Granted, that was even closer to the date, but putting them in does seem a bit coincidental or perhaps meant to give people the impression "they did it for worgen so it must happen for murlocs" to throw people off. Also, how many people would have said that feral, bloodthirsty, beastly, werewolves would contribute to either side prior to the Cataclysm announcement? I'd hate them as a playable race personally, but the point stands.

Anaei/Vezullia wrote:As for the spells I think that is either a raid buff, a Battle for the Undercity type buff or maybe a quest reward buff.

Obviously, but the question is Who/Where/When?

Gunnell wrote:

The Worgen masks also came out months prior to BlizzCon. Granted, that was even closer to the date, but putting them in does seem a bit coincidental or perhaps meant to give people the impression "they did it for worgen so it must happen for murlocs" to throw people off. Also, how many people would have said that feral, bloodthirsty, beastly, werewolves would contribute to either side prior to the Cataclysm announcement? I'd hate them as a playable race personally, but the point stands.

I think it's been allowed to be found to throw us off personally, they would have learned not to add the data and make it so easily found I think. Find me a male version, and two other race masks and i'll begin to believe.

Also, the worgen/goblin masks were really well textured.

This is a male murloc face with photoshopped eyes.

Gunnell wrote:
Also, this:



And what happened the last time that a Hallow's End mask was datamined?

Blizzard:

I'd play the fuck out of murlocs or naga if they were playable races

and ethereals

and vrykul

Glilya wrote:I'd play the fuck out of murlocs or naga if they were playable races

and ethereals

and vrykul

Well unlike Murlocs Blizz have said they want Naga to be playable.

Hmm, i would like to see playable ogres....
(full out old time horde! just kick out the elves and undead....)

Ezlbag wrote:Hmm, i would like to see playable ogres....
(full out old time horde! just kick out the elves and undead....)

Fourth Expansion
Ogres for Horde!
High Elves for Alliance!

Fifth Expansion
Mag'har/Blackrock Skin for Orcs
Kul'Tiras Humans, Dark Iron Skin for Alliance

Sixth Expansion
Mog'Mathal for Horde replacement for Forsaken.
Retaking of Stratholme Alliance, Lordaeron Humans playable.

Seventh expansion
Taunka For Horde
Wildhammer Dwarves playable.

Eighth Expansion
Ice Trolls/Forest Trolls For Horde
Naga Race for Alliance.

I'll quit after the third expansion tyvm.

Razlow wrote:

Ezlbag wrote:Hmm, i would like to see playable ogres....
(full out old time horde! just kick out the elves and undead....)

Fourth Expansion
Ogres for Horde!
High Elves for Alliance!

Fifth Expansion
Mag'har/Blackrock Skin for Orcs
Kul'Tiras Humans, Dark Iron Skin for Alliance

Sixth Expansion
Mog'Mathal for Horde replacement for Forsaken.
Retaking of Stratholme Alliance, Lordaeron Humans playable.

Seventh expansion
Taunka For Horde
Wildhammer Dwarves playable.

Eighth Expansion
Ice Trolls/Forest Trolls For Horde
Naga Race for Alliance.

Do you have a source for this at all? I'm not judging, I am curious. I don't know if its a joke or you say it for real ^^

It's his proposal. Far from official but not really a joke either.

I think I'll pass on the next expansions (but they could well add the Dark Iron skintone into the customizer) if that is the case.

High Elves - Prior to The Burning Crusade the Alliance was originally going to get them (which if you look at the content you can tell they had this in mind; 'Good' Helves in Silvermoon versus their now courrupted Blood Elves in Outland) and the Horde to get Goblins. Alas, thanks to the major populance imbalance between Alliance and Horde they shipped them onto the Horde - It worked but it meant Horde got stuck with just as many morons as Alliance. Put simply adding High Elves would destroy that balance again.

Ogres - No complaints here. If they're going to add a new Horde race this is the most obvious and logical choice. Wouldn't really hurt balance either since those who want to be 'savage and bestial' will be on Horde anyways.

Kul Tiran/Lordaeron Humans - They'd just have different accents and maybe the odd hair.

Dark Irons/Wildhammers - They'd just throw skin options onto the Dwarf creation, no reason they need to be a seperate race.

Mag'har/Blackrock - Same as Dwarves.

Naga - Naga are an odd one. See, I can certainly see them working for the Horde with the typical "Haz our own agenda" stuff; there's a friendly Naga in Borean Taundra who is like this. On the Alliance spectrum there's the whole thing about the Kaldorei hating them but then if the Blood Elves can forgive the Horde who just destroyed and tried to genocide them (and a now undead Lordaeron) then I can see them stretching it.

Murlocs - God forbid I can see this happening only for the sake of Blizzard doing it as fan service. I would hate them forever but its not impossible - They did it for Worgen after all.

Naga aided the Blood Elves in the past, they're both neither kaldorei anymore but descendants of Highborne, or just plainly still Highborne.

Naga hates kaldorei just as much virse versa. Could make sense they join the Horde simply for a reason to kill nelves.

Naga could join the alliance in the same way they made it possible for the draenei to join

Faralan Thorgint wrote:Naga hates kaldorei just as much virse versa. Could make sense they join the Horde simply for a reason to kill nelves.

Just like Blood Elves hate the Trolls they've been finding since the Troll Wars or the Orcs that almost destroying their nation, or the Undead that..

The Naga that aided Kael'thas were under Illidan's leadership, and did so to recruit the blood elves' assistance to Illidan's cause. I don't really see that as an indication that they are likely to submit to Horde leadership, even for the sake of appearance.

The naga would rather die than ally with the night elves.

And they'd rather ally with the Night Elves than see themselves taking orders from the brainless savage brutes that they consider orcs to be.

I could see the Naga becoming playable only through a third faction. Possibly, a faction of "this and that faction gone rogue". Meaning different races that are actually enemies, parts of these races break off and become a seperate playable faction. I'd imagine the remnants of the Sunfury elves being a likely choice, along with the Naga. I don't have the creativity to make up the rest of this faction, but the general concept would fit I think. Besides, the only "new THIS PLAYABLE CHARACTER CONCEPT" that Blizz haven't done yet is make a third faction.

The third faction would be neutral in the ally/horde conflict, but wouldn't be friendly to either. Possibly could serve as a "hero faction" similar to the DK in that it unlocks at a certain player level. The faction's purpose would not be to take part in the conflict directly, but to act as a player-controlled common enemy of the alliance and the horde. Sort of like the "PVP system" in LoTRO, where you get to roll an evil character and play as "enemy of good" instead of just playing "evil".

I know it's not gonna happen, but I can always dream.

Shaelyssa wrote:Naga could join the alliance in the same way they made it possible for the draenei to join

By the 'retcon half the lore and say something else' tactic, you could have orcs in the alliance.

It's not unlikely that further races would be added (Ogre and Naga would be my guess, Horde and Alliance respectively). It's not unlikely Blizz add skins for races like Dragonmaw or Wildhammer.

But it would be very unlikely they add a third full faction. It wouldn't work at all in WoW. Something like that has to be in effect from day one, or not at all. It's messy anyway, at the heart of everything this game (and most MMOs/RPGs) are "good vs bad". Two "sides". That those two sides might be both shades of grey is common. But to add a third? Wouldn't work in game, balance, or mechanic terms.

Murlocs? Unlikely. But who knows. If they did appear, maybe further to some (as yet unknown) developments with regards the Maelstrom/Vashjr/Azshara herself then they could perhaps "choose a side". Theres a few murlocs who hand out quests etc. And the Borean Tundra study by the Cenarion lot... maybe hints at more. In that way, maybe Naga and Murlocs would be two sides to see. Doubtful. Very.

Ogres - The most obvious next race for the Horde.
Furblogs - Make the most sense for the next Alliance race, but then we just got furballs and frankly I don't see much of an audience for them.. then again.. Tauren..

With regards to Naga.. I recall Blizz having tried it out before but the model posed a problem.

Considering that many Naga, if not all, seem to have double pairs of arms, either they would be OP with the amounts of weapons they could use. Or they'd just have two arms hanging.